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12-08-2010, 04:53 PM
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12-08-2010, 07:25 PM
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How one GOP Senator is holding up having DADT come to the floor via filibuster (vote now moved to tomorrow)
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12-08-2010, 07:37 PM
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Whatabout PFC Bradley Manning????
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12-08-2010, 07:59 PM
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filibustering won't be changed. the dems had a better hand the last two years then they've got now and didn't attempt to change the rules. they recognize that they might need the same powers one day. then the r's will be yelping that the d's are holding everything up.
and i'm doubting there won't be near the posts/threads about the evils of the practice when it happens.
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12-08-2010, 08:19 PM
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12-08-2010, 08:56 PM
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Today the GOP filibustered simply opening discussion on giving seniors a $250 check as their Social Security hasn't had a COLA raise in 2 years.
The GOP isn't filibustering as they and the Dems both have in the past, averaging 40-50 per session (filibustering = parlamentary obstruction). The GOP have not reserved it for really important stuff, the votes on bills, etc. The GOP has a standing filibuster on simply bringing stuff to the floor of the Senate. The GOP has been blocking the Senates work - bringing topics (bills) up for discussion. A filibuster takes about a week to be taken off. Let alone the GOP putting additional filibusters on voting, etc. They have been, IMO, obstructing the Constitution, which requires a majority in the Senate - not a supermajority of 60 - to bring things up, do the normal business of the Senate, pass legislation and get stuff done. There has been historical inaction in the Senate. We all have to hope it will be changed. We elect leaders to discuss and vote on the issues of the day. The GOP minority has single-handedly blocked that. And no, neither the Dems nor the GOP has ever done this before. "Both parties do it" does not apply here. What the GOP has done is exceptional.   What the data clearly shows is that he GOP is filibustering at twice the rate of what the Democrats did before, including what they did under Bush. So Republicans can't claim that Democrats did it too - they didn't. Not like this. Quote:
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12-09-2010, 04:11 AM
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12-09-2010, 11:43 AM
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The Democrats were elected in an overwhelming majority, and after the 2010 election, still hold the majority. They are entitled to do what the majority of Americans elected them to do.
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 12-09-2010 at 12:14 PM.
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12-09-2010, 06:36 AM
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you're right that numbers are higher now. your assertion that the "Republicans can't claim that Democrats did it too - they didn't. Not like this." is not exactly correct. the volume may be different, the practice remains the same. and like i said before, there's a reason the dems didn't attempt to make any changes when they may have been able to do so. they know damn good and well that they may need to employ the same tactics in future. it's not as tho the electorate shows a clear, clean cut leaning of this country in one direction. our form of govt was set up in a way to always enable the minority groups to have a say in the process. are the reps abusing it? perhaps. is there potential for the same in future? of course. you're fastened on this particular subject as a way to put the republicans in a bad light. no doubt there are other, better examples of what they've gotten wrong-such as keeping the tax cuts on the wealthiest.
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12-09-2010, 06:43 AM
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interesting:
Reps. Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Jim McDermott (D-WA) and Jay Inslee (D-WA) are crafting a letter to share with the House Democratic Caucus that would try to prevent the Speaker from bringing the tax bill to the floor. They hope to get 60 signatures on their letter (which is still being drafted) and then force a vote in the caucus. DeFazio says he thinks that if a majority of House Democrats are against this compromise, they shouldn't bring it to the floor. In other words, they are seeking a majority of the majority to move this and a senior House democratic source indicates they don't know if they have a majority of democrats, saying they haven't whipped this yet. In an interview with Fox, DeFazio criticizes the president and says a majority of the House Democratic Caucus does not support the tax rate compromise. "There does not seem to be a majority of the Democrats who support the deal negotiated by Vice President Biden," DeFazio said. "So we want to have a record vote in the caucus on a resolution that says this resolution should not go to the floor without a majority of Democratic votes." there are a variety of ways both parties attempt to block legislation. but somehow, i bet this instance won't be quite as horrifying as it would be if republicans attempted it.
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12-09-2010, 08:22 AM
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12-09-2010, 09:07 AM
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