DADT possible vote tonight!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

This doubles as my response to you in the other thread. I can't keep them straight anymore.

By this time, I think we all basically know where we stand on stuff political

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

By this time, I think we all basically know where we stand on stuff political

Sometimes you surprise me!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Sometimes you surprise me!

I currently have a hunting license in two states

I like politics, and I like arguing about politics.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

I currently have a hunting license in two states

I like politics, and I like arguing about politics.

noooooooooooooooo, really?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

noooooooooooooooo, really?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

noooooooooooooooo, really?

There is a difference between discussing and arguing politics in the abstract, because it's fascinating, and simply defending one's own political views. Not the same thing.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is a difference between discussing and arguing politics in the abstract, because it's fascinating, and simply defending one's own political views. Not the same thing.

I'm a pretty mellow guy, but your pointed/slanted questions dont appear to me to be a discussion.......just sayin

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I'm a pretty mellow guy, but your pointed/slanted questions dont appear to me to be a discussion.......just sayin

You mean you don't like that I strongly hold opinions that differ from your slanted/pointed opinions Do you think that during debate, people should argue their opinions, certainly, but do you think that factual inaccuracies matter? And if you really like debate, you could be perfectly happy debating stuff that personally, you may not agree with <G>

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

I currently have a hunting license in two states

I like politics, and I like arguing about politics.

I'm currently getting ready to chow down on some nice fresh venison! MMM MMM! Smells great ! Backstraps!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I'm currently getting ready to chow down on some nice fresh venison! MMM MMM! Smells great ! Backstraps!

I had an office manager, part of his contract was he got three days off when bow season opened

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

By this time, I think we all basically know where we stand on stuff political

yeah...but you keep drinking the kool-aid!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

yeah...but you keep drinking the kool-aid!

I was a member of that congregation, I was kidnapped and deprogrammed

[Riot]

How one GOP Senator is holding up having DADT come to the floor via filibuster (vote now moved to tomorrow)

Here's what Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) told Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that she needs to support a full Senate debate on the defense authorization bill (the vehicle for Don't Ask, Don't Tell repeal): 15 guaranteed votes on amendments (10 for Republicans, and 5 for Democrats), and somewhere around four days to debate the bill.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid already promised her the 15 amendments, but his initial offer was for a day or two of debate. Here's her response to reporters tonight, after a Senate vote.

"The majority leader's allotment of time for to debate those amendments was extremely short, so I have suggested doubling the amount of time, assuring that there would be votes, and making sure that the Republicans get to pick our own amendments as opposed to the Majority Leader."

"If he does that I will do all that I can to help him proceed to the bill. But if he does not do that, then I will not," she added.

Late this evening, per Collins' request, Reid delayed a test vote he'd planned to hold tonight.

Via TPM

[dellinger63]

Whatabout PFC Bradley Manning????

[Danzig]

filibustering won't be changed. the dems had a better hand the last two years then they've got now and didn't attempt to change the rules. they recognize that they might need the same powers one day. then the r's will be yelping that the d's are holding everything up.
and i'm doubting there won't be near the posts/threads about the evils of the practice when it happens.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

filibustering won't be changed. the dems had a better hand the last two years then they've got now and didn't attempt to change the rules. they recognize that they might need the same powers one day. then the r's will be yelping that the d's are holding everything up.
and i'm doubting there won't be near the posts/threads about the evils of the practice when it happens.

Obama should finally man up and increase taxes. Like RIOT and the people who voted for him wanted. Renounce DADT, affirm DREAM, kick a soldier in the nuts then wish happy holidays while denouncing all religion and return to Hawaii. With the mayoral race in Illinois going on and the guy he said would make a good mayor not willing to put his kids in Chicago public schools while all other candidates promissed to do so is a sweet treat for Christmas!

[Riot]

Today the GOP filibustered simply opening discussion on giving seniors a $250 check as their Social Security hasn't had a COLA raise in 2 years.

The GOP isn't filibustering as they and the Dems both have in the past, averaging 40-50 per session (filibustering = parlamentary obstruction). The GOP have not reserved it for really important stuff, the votes on bills, etc.

The GOP has a standing filibuster on simply bringing stuff to the floor of the Senate.

The GOP has been blocking the Senates work - bringing topics (bills) up for discussion. A filibuster takes about a week to be taken off.

Let alone the GOP putting additional filibusters on voting, etc.

They have been, IMO, obstructing the Constitution, which requires a majority in the Senate - not a supermajority of 60 - to bring things up, do the normal business of the Senate, pass legislation and get stuff done. There has been historical inaction in the Senate. We all have to hope it will be changed. We elect leaders to discuss and vote on the issues of the day. The GOP minority has single-handedly blocked that.

And no, neither the Dems nor the GOP has ever done this before. "Both parties do it" does not apply here. What the GOP has done is exceptional.






What the data clearly shows is that he GOP is filibustering at twice the rate of what the Democrats did before, including what they did under Bush. So Republicans can't claim that Democrats did it too - they didn't. Not like this.

March 2, 2010: Another interesting data point: IN the last ninety years, there have been 1,195 cloture motions filed, and a874 cloture votes, per the Senate site. The Republicans in the last three years that they've been in the minority, have caused 215 of the motions to be filed, and 157 of those cloture votes. That means in just the past three years, the Republicans have been responsible for 18% of all filibusters recorded in the past 90 years.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

Today the GOP filibustered simply opening discussion on giving seniors a $250 check as their Social Security hasn't had a COLA raise in 2 years.

The GOP isn't filibustering as they and the Dems both have in the past, averaging 40-50 per session (filibustering = parlamentary obstruction). The GOP have not reserved it for really important stuff, the votes on bills, etc.

The GOP has a standing filibuster on simply bringing stuff to the floor of the Senate.

The GOP has been blocking the Senates work - bringing topics (bills) up for discussion. A filibuster takes about a week to be taken off.

Let alone the GOP putting additional filibusters on voting, etc.

They have been, IMO, obstructing the Constitution, which requires a majority in the Senate - not a supermajority of 60 - to bring things up, do the normal business of the Senate, pass legislation and get stuff done. There has been historical inaction in the Senate. We all have to hope it will be changed. We elect leaders to discuss and vote on the issues of the day. The GOP minority has single-handedly blocked that.

And no, neither the Dems nor the GOP has ever done this before. "Both parties do it" does not apply here. What the GOP has done is exceptional.






What the data clearly shows is that he GOP is filibustering at twice the rate of what the Democrats did before, including what they did under Bush. So Republicans can't claim that Democrats did it too - they didn't. Not like this.

The chart shows that the Dems are introducing unconstitutional, partisan, Nation changing Legislation at historic rates. I'm just glad someone's trying to stop them or at least slow them down. What if they just voted on DADT without all the other BS tacked on? Collins votes with the Dems most of the time anyway. There is lots more to this than meets the eye.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Today the GOP filibustered simply opening discussion on giving seniors a $250 check as their Social Security hasn't had a COLA raise in 2 years.

The GOP isn't filibustering as they and the Dems both have in the past, averaging 40-50 per session (filibustering = parlamentary obstruction). The GOP have not reserved it for really important stuff, the votes on bills, etc.

The GOP has a standing filibuster on simply bringing stuff to the floor of the Senate.

The GOP has been blocking the Senates work - bringing topics (bills) up for discussion. A filibuster takes about a week to be taken off.

Let alone the GOP putting additional filibusters on voting, etc.

They have been, IMO, obstructing the Constitution, which requires a majority in the Senate - not a supermajority of 60 - to bring things up, do the normal business of the Senate, pass legislation and get stuff done. There has been historical inaction in the Senate. We all have to hope it will be changed. We elect leaders to discuss and vote on the issues of the day. The GOP minority has single-handedly blocked that.

And no, neither the Dems nor the GOP has ever done this before. "Both parties do it" does not apply here. What the GOP has done is exceptional.






What the data clearly shows is that he GOP is filibustering at twice the rate of what the Democrats did before, including what they did under Bush. So Republicans can't claim that Democrats did it too - they didn't. Not like this.

you're right that numbers are higher now. your assertion that the "Republicans can't claim that Democrats did it too - they didn't. Not like this." is not exactly correct. the volume may be different, the practice remains the same. and like i said before, there's a reason the dems didn't attempt to make any changes when they may have been able to do so. they know damn good and well that they may need to employ the same tactics in future.
it's not as tho the electorate shows a clear, clean cut leaning of this country in one direction. our form of govt was set up in a way to always enable the minority groups to have a say in the process. are the reps abusing it? perhaps. is there potential for the same in future? of course. you're fastened on this particular subject as a way to put the republicans in a bad light. no doubt there are other, better examples of what they've gotten wrong-such as keeping the tax cuts on the wealthiest.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

Today the GOP filibustered simply opening discussion on giving seniors a $250 check as their Social Security hasn't had a COLA raise in 2 years.

The GOP isn't filibustering as they and the Dems both have in the past, averaging 40-50 per session (filibustering = parlamentary obstruction). The GOP have not reserved it for really important stuff, the votes on bills, etc.

The GOP has a standing filibuster on simply bringing stuff to the floor of the Senate.

The GOP has been blocking the Senates work - bringing topics (bills) up for discussion. A filibuster takes about a week to be taken off.

Let alone the GOP putting additional filibusters on voting, etc.

They have been, IMO, obstructing the Constitution, which requires a majority in the Senate - not a supermajority of 60 - to bring things up, do the normal business of the Senate, pass legislation and get stuff done. There has been historical inaction in the Senate. We all have to hope it will be changed. We elect leaders to discuss and vote on the issues of the day. The GOP minority has single-handedly blocked that.

And no, neither the Dems nor the GOP has ever done this before. "Both parties do it" does not apply here. What the GOP has done is exceptional.






What the data clearly shows is that he GOP is filibustering at twice the rate of what the Democrats did before, including what they did under Bush. So Republicans can't claim that Democrats did it too - they didn't. Not like this.

wow..are these fatcharts..