11/27 (AQU): Cigar (G1); Gazelle, Remsen, Demoiselle (G2's)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

10/1 on Mucho Macho Man with about 10 MTP seems awfully generous.

15/1 at close.

He ran a pretty solid race.

Nice to see a June foal 2yo getting every yard of 9fs already.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

15/1 at close.

He ran a pretty solid race.

Nice to see a June foal 2yo getting every yard of 9fs already.

This horse has been pretty impressive to me so far.

[Indian Charlie]

Will To Honor and Serve get a huge fig, or will the filly race come back really low?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Will To Honor and Serve get a huge fig, or will the filly race come back really low?

To Honor and Serve will get a Beyer 25 points higher than the Demoiselle winner as that's what 2.81 seconds at 9fs equates to.

His last two are 95 and 97.

The Demoiselle winners last two are 75 and 76.

There are more 9f races to come - so too early to project a figure.

[Betsy]

The Gazelle just went a full second slower than the Remsen...........

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Betsy

The Gazelle just went a full second slower than the Remsen...........

A full second would be 9 points.

Gazelle winner No Such Word ran a 91 and 95 in her last two. 2nd place Awesome Maria has run all 80's her entire career.

Without putting any time into it - you're probably looking at a 101-to-104 for To Honor and Serve.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

A full second would be 9 points.

Gazelle winner No Such Word ran a 91 and 95 in her last two. 2nd place Awesome Maria has run all 80's her entire career.

Without putting any time into it - you're probably looking at a 101-to-104 for To Honor and Serve.

So when you calculate BSF then, a horses career form plays a big part in it? They assume that a horse isn't going to freak or just run too bad to be true?

[Betsy]

Nice race by THAS, though I look forward to him not being on the lead as I don't think this is really what he wants to do. He's doing it willilngly, but I have a feeling that he'd be better from off the pace.

Mott will have to find a new jockey as soon as his next race as Johnny V. rides Uncle Mo.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Nice race by THAS, though I look forward to him not being on the lead as I don't think this is really what he wants to do. He's doing it willilngly, but I have a feeling that he'd be better from off the pace.

Tears Jerry, Tears.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Tears Jerry, Tears.

That went whoosh, right over my head, lol

Maybe I'm wrong, anyway. I just read Bill Mott's quotes from a couple of days ago and he said the horse has a ton of natural speed and placed himseslf on the lead easily.........

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Betsy

That went whoosh, right over my head, lol

While it's true that each horse is it's own entity ... all horses run their absolute best possible races when on an unpressured lead through very comfortable fractions.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

While it's true that each horse is it's own entity ... all horses run their absolute best possible races when on an unpressured lead through very comfortable fractions.

Sure that makes sense..........In any case, I love his tractable speed, but being on the lead is not how you win big 3 year old races, so I'm looking forward to seeing him try to rate, even if he's still forwardly placed.

[Dahoss]

Now that I'm mentioning it, I'm sure hey'll run 1-2 in the Cigar Mile....but big performances by Godolphin so far this weekend.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Sure that makes sense..........In any case, I love his tractable speed, but being on the lead is not how you win big 3 year old races, so I'm looking forward to seeing him try to rate, even if he's still forwardly placed.

Sure - he will run into horses with a lot better early speed and he'll have to win with rating tactics ... I can tell you with 100% certainty that he won't run quite as well when he's forced to do that.