Valiant loss puts Zenyatta's prowess in perspective

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

Speaking of wrong takes Dahoss, what is your take on your 2 horses you touted wholeheartedly this year, Quality Road and Rachel? What type of excuses can you make for them today...Not a great year for you was it?

Shocking...a deflection and another wrong take. I've given my opinion on Rachel many times. You know this. Wholeheartedly touted them? That's stupid even for you. Quality Road is a good horse. He's a lot better than his race on Saturday. Rachel is a good horse also. Weird, when she gets beat a head she's awful, but when Zenyatta does she is Seattle Slew. How's that work?

But what does that have to do with anything? I liked Blame in the Classic. I bet Blame in the Classic and Quality Road wasn't on any of my tickets.

Just sayin'

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Shocking...a deflection and another wrong take. I've given my opinion on Rachel many times. You know this. Wholeheartedly touted them? That's stupid even for you. Quality Road is a good horse. He's a lot better than his race on Saturday. Rachel is a good horse also. Weird, when she gets beat a head she's awful, but when Zenyatta does she is Seattle Slew. How's that work?

But what does that have to do with anything? I liked Blame in the Classic. I bet Blame in the Classic and Quality Road wasn't on any of my tickets.

Just sayin'

I love your playbook of replies Hossy, I've seen this movie for a year now with your play pals at PA, Shocking, deflection, even stupid for you...ect...you forgot delusional, another of your other favs. If you want to elicit a response, try something fresh man.

2nd to Zardana, Persistantly is not something to brag about when you are Rachel, is it? Her 2nd to UB does make her look abit better today, but let's face, you and I know you were way off the boat when you overrated these 2 earlier this year, just as you did for Rail Trip, another mistake by you, and though you hate to admit it, and throw up your standard answers of deflection, your opinion was dreadfully wrong about them all. We both know this, but keep trying. I know you like to say you always get the last laugh, but this laugh will always be on you. You know and I know it.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

I love your playbook of replies Hossy, I've seen this movie for a year now with your play pals at PA, Shocking, deflection, even stupid for you...ect...you forgot delusional, another of your other favs. If you want to elicit a response, try something fresh man.

2nd to Zardana, Persistantly is not something to brag about when you are Rachel, is it? Her 2nd to UB does make her look abit better today, but let's face, you and I know you were way off the boat when you overrated these 2 earlier this year, just as you did for Rail Trip, another mistake by you, and though you hate to admit it, and throw up your standard answers of deflection, your opinion was dreadfully wrong about them all. We both know this, but keep trying. I know you like to say you always get the last laugh, but this laugh will always be on you. You know and I know it.

This is what I'm talking about. Explain to me how I overrated anyone this year. I overrated Rail Trip? How so?

Don't hide behind your stupidity. Explain yourself, prove what you are saying for once.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

This is what I'm talking about. Explain to me how I overrated anyone this year. I overrated Rail Trip? How so?

Don't hide behind your stupidity. Explain yourself, prove what you are saying for once.

Since you rejoined here in July, it's kind of hard to dig up posts from PA. But you did infer on that other forum that Zenyatta was afraid of Rail Trip didn't you? Now to infer that you are afraid of someone, one must have a somewhat high regard for that someone don't they? I told you there then that Rail Trip was an extremely overrated horse and the times compared between the 2 races that Zenyatta and RT ran esp when you consider she carried 129 and he only 115 were greatly exaggerated.Maybe you were just hoping anyone would beat Zenyatta and RT was the horse you thought could, now I do agree she should have run against the boys as I think it would have taken next to nothing out of her, but again you blame that squarely on the shoulders of the connections, not the horse.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

Since you rejoined here in July, it's kind of hard to dig up posts from PA. But you did infer on that other forum that Zenyatta was afraid of Rail Trip didn't you? Now to infer that you are afraid of someone, one must have a somewhat high regard for that someone don't they? I told you there then that Rail Trip was an extremely overrated horse and the times compared between the 2 races that Zenyatta and RT ran esp when you consider she carried 129 and he only 115 were greatly exaggerated.Maybe you were just hoping anyone would beat Zenyatta and RT was the horse you thought could, now I do agree she should have run against the boys as I think it would have taken next to nothing out of her, but again you blame that squarely on the shoulders of the connections, not the horse.

First off, you idiot, I never said Zenyatta was afraid of them. I don't think she cares where she runs. Her connections were afraid of him and at the time I thought it was hilarious because he isn't much. Remember the top of the mountain stuff?

So again, how did I personally overrate anyone?

[classhandicapper]

I hate to get in the middle of this one, but IMO......

1. There is a difference between between being afraid of Rail Trip and not wanting to face him because it might be a taxing effort to beat him. Many people disagree with the perspective of her connections, Sheet players and others. But some feel that an easier well spaced campaign maximizes the chances of a peak at the end of the year. Right or wrong, that was their goal and belief.

2. I don't think Rail Trip's effort for Dutrow says anything about his ability. He was having problems, missed a race, wore an aluminum pad, and was on dirt for the first time. I'm not sure what the plans are for him going forward, but if he's still in training we may learn more about him later on.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I hate to get in the middle of this one, but IMO......

1. There is a difference between between being afraid of Rail Trip and not wanting to face him because it might be a taxing effort to beat him. Many people disagree with the perspective of her connections, Sheet players and others. But some feel that an easier well spaced campaign maximizes the chances of a peak at the end of the year. Right or wrong, that was their goal and belief.

2. I don't think Rail Trip's effort for Dutrow says anything about his ability. He was having problems, missed a race, wore an aluminum pad, and was on dirt for the first time. I'm not sure what the plans are for him going forward, but if he's still in training we may learn more about him later on.

Who cares what the difference is?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I hate to get in the middle of this one, but IMO......

1. There is a difference between between being afraid of Rail Trip and not wanting to face him because it might be a taxing effort to beat him. Many people disagree with the perspective of her connections, Sheet players and others. But some feel that an easier well spaced campaign maximizes the chances of a peak at the end of the year. Right or wrong, that was their goal and belief.

2. I don't think Rail Trip's effort for Dutrow says anything about his ability. He was having problems, missed a race, wore an aluminum pad, and was on dirt for the first time. I'm not sure what the plans are for him going forward, but if he's still in training we may learn more about him later on.

You were over at PA, you know Dahoss's posts, after Rachel skipped out of the Apple Blossom and lost to Zardana, it obviously ate away at him and when Zenyatta won the Blossom he was hoping Rail Trip would have been the horse to take down Zenyatta. Based on his view of the race he ran in the Californian.