Blame = Hoy!!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Funny guy.

Blame had a pretty cowardly campaign as well.

He ran just five times this year ... with long gaps between starts.

He won the Whitney and the Breeders Cup Classic .. easily the two best fields assembled this year. So he has that going for him.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Blame had a pretty cowardly campaign as well.

He ran just five times this year ... with long gaps between starts.

He won the Whitney and the Breeders Cup Classic .. easily the two best fields assembled this year. So he has that going for him.

He also ducked the Woodward and ran like **** in the JCGC.

[Arletta]

I think she will still get it...even in defeat.

The award is for horse of the year. This year. Blame will have finished this year 4 for 5 and won the BC Classic. Zenyatta will have finished the year 5 for 6 and finished second in the BC Classic. It's one of the wierdest statistical oddities I've ever seen that she won't ever win horse of the year but unfortunately that's the way it's going to shake out. Imagine you owned Blame. How would you feel if you beat one of the all time greats and they gave HOY to the horse you just beat. That would be totally unfair.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He also ducked the Woodward and ran like **** in the JCGC.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

The award is for horse of the year. This year. Blame will have finished this year 4 for 5 and won the BC Classic. Zenyatta will have finished the year 5 for 6 and finished second in the BC Classic. It's one of the wierdest statistical oddities I've ever seen that she won't ever win horse of the year but unfortunately that's the way it's going to shake out. Imagine you owned Blame. How would you feel if you beat one of the all time greats and they gave HOY to the horse you just beat. That would be totally unfair.

Is she 100% going to be retired?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

It's one of the wierdest statistical oddities I've ever seen that she won't ever win horse of the year but unfortunately that's the way it's going to shake out.

Her campaigns are the reason why.

Had she even raced in and won the Hollywood Gold Cup and Pacific Classic without shipping ... I think she'd win the vote for sure.

The Breeders Cup Classic might be the biggest race - but it's still only one race - and that margin of victory was hardly conclusive and Blame had the home court.

I have no problem at all if she wins the vote.

However, Uncle Mo has a year that ranks up there with some of the better 2yo seasons I've ever witnessed in terms of his three performances.

Goldikova has a race that ranks up there in terms of special individual performances...and she did A LOT in Europe

Blame has a chicksh!t year where he raced just five times and ducked several spots he belonged in - while he did win the two toughest races this year (Whitney and BC Classic) - in terms of past champion older male seasons - his season rates very low IMO.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Blame has a chicksh!t year where he raced just five times and ducked several spots he belonged in - while he did win the two toughest races this year (Whitney and BC Classic) - in terms of past champion older male seasons - his season rates very low IMO.

Perhaps compared to seasons past -- but he hasn't got much to beat as far as 2010 campaigns go....which is why he deserves it.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Her campaigns are the reason why.

Had she even raced in and won the Hollywood Gold Cup and Pacific Classic without shipping ... I think she'd win the vote for sure.

The Breeders Cup Classic might be the biggest race - but it's still only one race - and that margin of victory was hardly conclusive and Blame had the home court.

I have no problem at all if she wins the vote.

However, Uncle Mo has a year that ranks up there with some of the better 2yo seasons I've ever witnessed in terms of his three performances.

Goldikova has a race that ranks up there in terms of special individual performances...and she did A LOT in Europe

Blame has a chicksh!t year where he raced just five times and ducked several spots he belonged in - while he did win the two toughest races this year (Whitney and BC Classic) - in terms of past champion older male seasons - his season rates very low IMO.

It always sucks when you enter for a couple of hundred k's and nobody shows up.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

The award is for horse of the year. This year. Blame will have finished this year 4 for 5 and won the BC Classic. Zenyatta will have finished the year 5 for 6 and finished second in the BC Classic. It's one of the wierdest statistical oddities I've ever seen that she won't ever win horse of the year but unfortunately that's the way it's going to shake out. Imagine you owned Blame. How would you feel if you beat one of the all time greats and they gave HOY to the horse you just beat. That would be totally unfair.

Uhm I have seen horses win the Classic beating horses that have been the best all year and they still didnt get HOY. It is totally an East Coast bias from the press always have and always will be. RA didnt win the Classic last year and she got horse of the year and was life or death to even compete on a grade1 level this year
Blame will get it and I love Claiborne Farms as they have been a staple in the industry for 100 years. That said, I still think it sucks azz that Z will be denied the award again.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Honu

Uhm I have seen horses win the Classic beating horses that have been the best all year and they still didnt get HOY. It is totally an East Coast bias from the press always have and always will be. RA didnt win the Classic last year and she got horse of the year and was life or death to even compete on a grade1 level this year
Blame will get it and I love Claiborne Farms as they have been a staple in the industry for 100 years. That said, I still think it sucks azz that Z will be denied the award again.

What did she do this season to earn it over Blame?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

What did she do this season to earn it over Blame?

What did he do? Its a mute argument.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Honu

RA didnt win the Classic last year and she got horse of the year and was life or death to even compete on a grade1 level this year

This point cannot be repeated enough, because it has lots to do with 2009.

You are on to something here.

Originally Posted by Honu

Uhm I have seen horses win the Classic beating horses that have been the best all year and they still didnt get HOY. It is totally an East Coast bias from the press always have and always will be. RA didnt win the Classic last year and she got horse of the year and was life or death to even compete on a grade1 level this year
Blame will get it and I love Claiborne Farms as they have been a staple in the industry for 100 years. That said, I still think it sucks azz that Z will be denied the award again.

One way to say it would be all that SHE did for racing. Another way would be to point out what YOU FANS did for her and all of us in racing. The way YOU embraced her made the world stop and take note. What a horse does to promote the sport is vitally important but IS NOT criteria in the HOY voting equasion. She will be talked about for generations. Blame will only be known for beating her. But the fact of the matter based on what he achieved this year and the fact that he crossed this line in front of her in their only meeting Blame will win HOY. I wish she'd won. More so for us fans than anything else. She didn't. But on a positive note. No horse was hurt. The race was fairly run. Zenny's reputation was actually enhanced by her performance. I felt more proud of her in defeat than any of her wins. The greatest female horse of all time ran the BEST RACE of her career and was defeated fair and square. I choose to rejoice in what happened today. Great theatre. Great horses. Great day. Oh BTW I'll never forgive that damm BLAME

[Seattleallstar]

If you ain't first, you're last

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

One way to say it would be all that SHE did for racing. Another way would be to point out what YOU FANS did for her and all of us in racing. The way YOU embraced her made the world stop and take note. What a horse does to promote the sport is vitally important but IS NOT criteria in the HOY voting equasion. She will be talked about for generations. Blame will only be known for beating her. But the fact of the matter based on what he achieved this year and the fact that he crossed this line in front of her in their only meeting Blame will win HOY. I wish she'd won. More so for us fans than anything else. She didn't. But on a positive note. No horse was hurt. The race was fairly run. Zenny's reputation was actually enhanced by her performance. I felt more proud of her in defeat than any of her wins. The greatest female horse of all time ran the BEST RACE of her career and was defeated fair and square. I choose to rejoice in what happened today. Great theatre. Great horses. Great day. Oh BTW I'll never forgive that damm BLAME

Someone earlier asked what is the definition of a Zenyattard. I give you the above.

However, since the person who asked the question is also one, well, it's a mute point (since it will fall on deaf ears, so to speak).

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Honu

RA didnt win the Classic last year and she got horse of the year and was life or death to even compete on a grade1 level this year
Blame will get it and I love Claiborne Farms as they have been a staple in the industry for 100 years. That said, I still think it sucks azz that Z will be denied the award again.

You're right, Rachel shouldn't have won the 2009 HOY because of how mediocre she was going to be in 2010. Makes perfect sense. Get mad at Zenyatta's connections, not at Blame. Had they treated her like the champion they said she was, she likely would've been one this year.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And for those pushing for Blame? Didn't he barely hang on to a mare who never ran out of Cali and on poly (sans) Arkansas? Or is she now good enough to give reason to naming Blame HOY? Can't have it both ways and the only strong supporters of Blame should also be strong supporters of Zenyatta. To the haters he barely beat a mediocre horse and the rest of the field had to be horrible to finish that far behind her.

Once again, you're confusing most talented horse with HOY. Blame's accomplishments this year dwarf Zenyatta's even if his Classic winning margin doesn't. It's not even debatable.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

One way to say it would be all that SHE did for racing. Another way would be to point out what YOU FANS did for her and all of us in racing. The way YOU embraced her made the world stop and take note. What a horse does to promote the sport is vitally important but IS NOT criteria in the HOY voting equasion. She will be talked about for generations. Blame will only be known for beating her. But the fact of the matter based on what he achieved this year and the fact that he crossed this line in front of her in their only meeting Blame will win HOY. I wish she'd won. More so for us fans than anything else. She didn't. But on a positive note. No horse was hurt. The race was fairly run. Zenny's reputation was actually enhanced by her performance. I felt more proud of her in defeat than any of her wins. The greatest female horse of all time ran the BEST RACE of her career and was defeated fair and square. I choose to rejoice in what happened today. Great theatre. Great horses. Great day. Oh BTW I'll never forgive that damm BLAME

Serious question: What makes her the greatest female horse of all time? I'm not being a 'hater', I honestly don't understand how this is the conclusion drawn from her career. Is she in the conversation? Sure. But there have been a ton of great females and I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have been as successful as her with her campaigns.

I also disagree with the notion that her reputation was enhanced in the loss. Her reputation had become that of one of the greatest horses of all time. It was a ridiculous reputation and unfair to her. How can that kind of reputation be enhanced by her losing to one of the slowest Classic winners in the history of the race?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Honu

Uhm I have seen horses win the Classic beating horses that have been the best all year and they still didnt get HOY. It is totally an East Coast bias from the press always have and always will be. RA didnt win the Classic last year and she got horse of the year and was life or death to even compete on a grade1 level this year
Blame will get it and I love Claiborne Farms as they have been a staple in the industry for 100 years. That said, I still think it sucks azz that Z will be denied the award again.

darn those pesky eclipse voters for not being prescient about the year following the season the award was being given. the nerve of them!

[slotdirt]

Well, we already know how dummies like Joe Drape and Jay Hovdey are voting, so I'd say Zenyatta is still going to get HOTY for beating Switch and Rinterval a few times. Whether she deserves it for her 2010 campaign or not is an entirely different conversation.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

The award is for horse of the year. This year. Blame will have finished this year 4 for 5 and won the BC Classic. Zenyatta will have finished the year 5 for 6 and finished second in the BC Classic. It's one of the wierdest statistical oddities I've ever seen that she won't ever win horse of the year but unfortunately that's the way it's going to shake out. Imagine you owned Blame. How would you feel if you beat one of the all time greats and they gave HOY to the horse you just beat. That would be totally unfair.

When did Blame beat one of the all time greats?

Tell me you aren't one of those mindless Quality Road fans.