Zenyatta

[Metal Man]

Zenyatta doesnt owe racing anything, and she will be remembered as 19 and 1 losing a exciting Classic, few will remember that Blame got there first.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Metal Man

Zenyatta doesnt owe racing anything, and she will be remembered as 19 and 1 losing a exciting Classic, few will remember that Blame got there first.

bullshit! I'll NEVER forget it,and I'll be rubbing it in every Zenyatta fan's face that I can,for as long as I live!

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

bullshit! I'll NEVER forget it,and I'll be rubbing it in every Zenyatta fan's face that I can,for as long as I live!

This is mature, it also makes me think your clueless about everything she has accomplished.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

This is mature, it also makes me think your clueless about everything she has accomplished.

Eat a bowl of dicks!

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Eat a bowl of dicks!

Ill leave now, if not I would be darted for sure. Your ****ing mature though, get that straight from Ateams mouth? Same dude who told me a month ago no problems, eat a bowl of dicks, real mature. Your ****ing clueless, let me just log off now.
Your literally trolling 3 threads right now about this... Keep it up, I wont stay to be part of it.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Eat a bowl of dicks!

nice..thats what happens when you race vs all the horses out there..not just
the slugs in your back yard..

[goingtothewhip]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

nice..thats what happens when you race vs all the horses out there..not just
the slugs in your back yard..

What happens? You lose by a nose?

She lost and I'm very disappointed, but I thought the sentiment by the "unbiased" was that she would be exposed in this race as a synthetic specialist which couldn't translate her grade I (restricted) form to dirt. Is that what happened?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by goingtothewhip

What happens? You lose by a nose?

She lost and I'm very disappointed, but I thought the sentiment by the "unbiased" was that she would be exposed in this race as a synthetic specialist which couldn't translate that form to dirt. Is that what happened?

If she ran 4th or last, that would be dissapointing, she ran a terrific race. Why the dissapointment? Courageous in defeat, that's the way champion horses run, she didn't suck it up like Quality Road did, she ran until she ran out of racetrack.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by goingtothewhip

What happens? You lose by a nose?

She lost and I'm very disappointed, but I thought the sentiment by the "unbiased" was that she would be exposed in this race as a synthetic specialist which couldn't translate her grade I (restricted) form to dirt. Is that what happened?

yes but my point is more that in alot of those wins she beat noone..she ran well ..but shes not as good as most of the horses that the press machine has said.. better than seattle slew , ect no way..

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I think what might get lost here is how horrid this field was in relation to past editions of this race.

Whoever was riding First Dude caused a huge pace collapse .. it basically was supposed to be a stone cold Blame 1st and Fly Down 2nd type of race at that point. Credit John Shireffs - he has an amazing record when he points for an objective. Zenyatta ran much better than I thought she would.

The final time was a joke. Uncle Mo is going to get a Beyer figure only 3 full points slower than Blame will for winning a wildly sub-par edition of the Classic.

I remember everyone make a huge deal about about how Arazi was the star of the 1991 Breeders Cup ... keep in mind he needed 1:46.40 in his blowout win over Bertrando.. Uncle Mo needed 1:42.60 today ... his final time was 3.80 full seconds (or 22 lengths) faster than Arazi's in his destruction Bertrando.

Blame's final time of 2:02.28 - was just 0.52 seconds faster than Black Tie Affair's 2:02.80 Breeders Cup Classic win at Churchill also in 1991.

It's a pretty sad statement to the older males when you have a horse like Blame - who's run Beyers in the 101-to-103 range in five of his last six career starts .. and even so I thought enough of him to make him my 2nd pick in this race in the paper today.

There was no slouch like Volponi or Mine That Bird out there today to deep six this field and make a mockery of them ... but this group was asking for it. Japan sent over the wrong horse. A speedy miler off of a bad prep .. had they sent over some late running dirt closer in halfway decent form - they probably win this.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's a pretty sad statement to the older males when you have a horse like Blame - who's run Beyers in the 101-to-103 range in five of his last six career starts .. and even so I thought enough of him to make him my 2nd pick in this race in the paper today.

Who was your pick? (Or maybe I should ask: how many other 'picks' did you get in the race?)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Who was your pick? (Or maybe I should ask: how many other 'picks' did you get in the race?)

Quality Road 1st
Blame 2nd
Haynesfield 3rd

Two of them got baked on the pace and were beaten a mile... the other won a collapsing stagger fest.

[knickslions2]

All I know it was the easiest exacta of the whole two days and paid 33 and change. It is a shame we didn't see more of Zenyatta on dirt.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

All I know it was the easiest exacta of the whole two days and paid 33 and change. It is a shame we didn't see more of Zenyatta on dirt.

Great Point!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think what might get lost here is how horrid this field was in relation to past editions of this race.

Whoever was riding First Dude caused a huge pace collapse .. it basically was supposed to be a stone cold Blame 1st and Fly Down 2nd type of race at that point. Credit John Shireffs - he has an amazing record when he points for an objective. Zenyatta ran much better than I thought she would.

The final time was a joke. Uncle Mo is going to get a Beyer figure only 3 full points slower than Blame will for winning a wildly sub-par edition of the Classic.

I remember everyone make a huge deal about about how Arazi was the star of the 1991 Breeders Cup ... keep in mind he needed 1:46.40 in his blowout win over Bertrando.. Uncle Mo needed 1:42.60 today ... his final time was 3.80 full seconds (or 22 lengths) faster than Arazi's in his destruction Bertrando.

Blame's final time of 2:02.28 - was just 0.52 seconds faster than Black Tie Affair's 2:02.80 Breeders Cup Classic win at Churchill also in 1991.

It's a pretty sad statement to the older males when you have a horse like Blame - who's run Beyers in the 101-to-103 range in five of his last six career starts .. and even so I thought enough of him to make him my 2nd pick in this race in the paper today.

There was no slouch like Volponi or Mine That Bird out there today to deep six this field and make a mockery of them ... but this group was asking for it. Japan sent over the wrong horse. A speedy miler off of a bad prep .. had they sent over some late running dirt closer in halfway decent form - they probably win this.

I think the time of the race is very misleading because every day at Churchill the track slows down over the course of the day. I don't know if it was like that in past years but I've noticed that consistently this year.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think the time of the race is very misleading because every day at Churchill the track slows down over the course of the day. I don't know if it was like that in past years but I've noticed that consistently this year.

The track was consistant ... just as Blame is amazingly consistant when it comes to running Beyers in the 101-to-103 range and 3rd place finisher Fly Down is amazingly consistant at running Beyers in the 93-to-98 range.

5 of Blame's last 6 Beyers were in that range - and 4 of 5 Fly Down's last five starts were.

Obviously Uncle Mo would have got soundly beaten in the Classic because he's a speed horse and would have been forced to deal with the other four horses battling it out who all got beat by a mile... but this race was as sub par as it gets.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The track was consistant ... just as Blame is amazingly consistant when it comes to running Beyers in the 101-to-103 range and 3rd place finisher Fly Down is amazingly consistant at running Beyers in the 93-to-98 range.

5 of Blame's last 6 Beyers were in that range - and 4 of 5 Fly Down's last five starts were.

Obviously Uncle Mo would have got soundly beaten in the Classic because he's a speed horse and would have been forced to deal with the other four horses battling it out who all got beat by a mile... but this race was as sub par as it gets.

My point is that I think if the race went earlier in the day, they run 2:01 1/5 or so rather than 2:02 1/5.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The track was consistant ... just as Blame is amazingly consistant when it comes to running Beyers in the 101-to-103 range and 3rd place finisher Fly Down is amazingly consistant at running Beyers in the 93-to-98 range.

5 of Blame's last 6 Beyers were in that range - and 4 of 5 Fly Down's last five starts were.

Obviously Uncle Mo would have got soundly beaten in the Classic because he's a speed horse and would have been forced to deal with the other four horses battling it out who all got beat by a mile... but this race was as sub par as it gets.

You could argue Lookin at Lucky consistently runs Beyers in the 102-105 range and Fly Down ran a 105 on his best day. Blame ran a 111 Beyer two races back. So you could certainly make the argument that Blame and Zenyatta ran Beyers in the 110 range today.

By the way, there wasn't exactly a suicide pace in this race. They went the half in :47. It was a solid pace but it wasn't suicidal by any means.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think the time of the race is very misleading because every day at Churchill the track slows down over the course of the day. I don't know if it was like that in past years but I've noticed that consistently this year.

You can't seriously believe this, right?

How do you explain the Chilukki (3rd race, 1:30 PM) vs the Dirt Mile (9th race, 5:30 PM), then? Both were run with an honest but reasonable pace, with horses who attended the pace and closers both hitting the board. The projected spread between the races would be about 15 Beyer points, and it ended up being 1.38 seconds... or 14 Beyer points. By your logic, it should have been ~2.5 seconds or 25-30 points. Not really believable.

Newsflash: Trainers make up a lot of bullsh!t.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by philcski

You can't seriously believe this, right?

How do you explain the Chilukki (3rd race, 1:30 PM) vs the Dirt Mile (9th race, 5:30 PM), then? Both were run with an honest but reasonable pace, with horses who attended the pace and closers both hitting the board. The projected spread between the races would be about 15 Beyer points, and it ended up being 1.38 seconds... or 14 Beyer points. By your logic, it should have been ~2.5 seconds or 25-30 points. Not really believable.

Newsflash: Trainers make up a lot of bullsh!t.

With equal fractions, you are probably right. But considering they went the half in :44 4/5 in the dirt mile and they went only went :46 2/5 in the other race, there should have been a much bigger difference in the final time had the track been just as fast later in the day. Do you think the dirt mile would have still gone in 1:35 1/5 if they would have gone the half in :46 2/5? There is no way in hell.