11/6 (CD): Breeders' Cup Saturday (Post Draw Fields; ML's)

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by philcski

I am in love with this guy in this race. You're crazy, but not for singling him

What am I missing on him? I think Tizway ROLLS.

[Dahoss]

I think Hurricane Ike is a live longshot in the Dirt Mile. Was super at Churchill in the Trial. No shot in the King's Bishop off the layoff and that track and too far last time. Like the cutback and I've heard he's been working well at Churchill.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think Hurricane Ike is a live longshot in the Dirt Mile. Was super at Churchill in the Trial. No shot in the King's Bishop off the layoff and that track and too far last time. Like the cutback and I've heard he's been working well at Churchill.

My issue with Hurricane Ike is that his Churchill performance was super, but that was third off the layoff on a surface that he was suppose to relish, goes away after that slop effort like alot of them do, and really doesn't do much afterwards.

Mad Flatter is interesting to me. And Cool Coal Man, if ignored, has the numbers to be in the mix.

Although, if Tizway runs his last race, they are probably all running for 2nd.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Scav

My issue with Hurricane Ike is that his Churchill performance was super, but that was third off the layoff on a surface that he was suppose to relish, goes away after that slop effort like alot of them do, and really doesn't do much afterwards.

Mad Flatter is interesting to me. And Cool Coal Man, if ignored, has the numbers to be in the mix.

Although, if Tizway runs his last race, they are probably all running for 2nd.

Tizway's probably the horse to beat, but if Crown of Thorns takes to the dirt like I think he will, he'll win. Beyond those two, this is the most wide open race on the card IMO.

[hockey2315]

The three logicals tower over the rest of the field in the mile. . . I'd probably use Aikenite if he got in, though. Call me crazy.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Scav

My issue with Hurricane Ike is that his Churchill performance was super, but that was third off the layoff on a surface that he was suppose to relish, goes away after that slop effort like alot of them do, and really doesn't do much afterwards.

I assume he had issues after the Derby Trial. I can't imagine the plan was to take 4 months off. I guess he really hasn't done anything since, but he wasn't in great spots IMO. He had no shot in the King's Bishop, against the horse that probably would have been chalk in the sprint had he not gotten injured. And I don't think he wants any part of two turns.

I think he has a shot to fall into a nice trip behind the pace. Tizway is a nice horse, but I'm not crazy about him at a short price and he hasn't exactly run well outside of NY.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

What am I missing on him? I think Tizway ROLLS.

He's 7-5-1-1 around 1 turn (undefeated since breaking his maiden), loves CD, can handle multiple pace scenarios, and is one of the fastest in the field. What's not to love?

I'm concerned Tizway will get caught up chasing a crazy pace. Mad Flatter, Morning Line, Thisskyhasnolimit, Tropic Storm, and Vineyard Haven all have tons of speed. That leaves him two options- press with them and potentially get blown up or try to settle farther back which he's already proven to not prefer.

I will key Here Comes Ben with Awesome Gem (assuming he's a big price), Crown of Thorns, Dakota Phone (again need a big price), Gayego, and Hurricane Ike.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I assume he had issues after the Derby Trial. I can't imagine the plan was to take 4 months off. I guess he really hasn't done anything since, but he wasn't in great spots IMO. He had no shot in the King's Bishop, against the horse that probably would have been chalk in the sprint had he not gotten injured. And I don't think he wants any part of two turns.

I think he has a shot to fall into a nice trip behind the pace. Tizway is a nice horse, but I'm not crazy about him at a short price and he hasn't exactly run well outside of NY.

I also think he can get a piece at a nice price- of the 3yo's he's clearly the best choice.

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by philcski

He's 7-5-1-1 around 1 turn (undefeated since breaking his maiden), loves CD, can handle multiple pace scenarios, and is one of the fastest in the field. What's not to love?

I'm concerned Tizway will get caught up chasing a crazy pace. Mad Flatter, Morning Line, Thisskyhasnolimit, Tropic Storm, and Vineyard Haven all have tons of speed. That leaves him two options- press with them and potentially get blown up or try to settle farther back which he's already proven to not prefer.

I will key Here Comes Ben with Awesome Gem (assuming he's a big price), Crown of Thorns, Dakota Phone (again need a big price), Gayego, and Hurricane Ike.



I also think he can get a piece at a nice price- of the 3yo's he's clearly the best choice.

Confirmed for the Marathon, I thought he was interesting in the Dirt Mile as well.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Bogey

Confirmed for the Marathon, I thought he was interesting in the Dirt Mile as well.

He could just be a lot better than anything in the Marathon.
Looks like he should be a square price.

[hockey2315]

One of the Euros is bred really well for the Marathon on dirt. He's not very good, but nobody else is either.

[tjfla]

Bloodhorse

Under consideration for a pair of World Championship races, Runnymede Farm team has decided to run homebred Rogue Romance in the the $2 million Grey Goose Breeders’ Cup Juvenile (gr. I) Nov. 6 at Churchill Downs.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

One of the Euros is bred really well for the Marathon on dirt. He's not very good, but nobody else is either.

I assume you are talking about Precision Break. He'll be taking my $$ here, though it won't be much in that garbage race.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I assume you are talking about Precision Break. He'll be taking my $$ here, though it won't be much in that garbage race.

Thats my thought on the race... It sucks. Ill narrow it down to 1-2 horses and play some smallish pick 3's.

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

He could just be a lot better than anything in the Marathon.
Looks like he should be a square price.

No doubt

[Fulla Sheets]

Isn't Utley a half to Rainbow View and Just as Well?

[philcski]

From DerbyMedia:
Chamberain Bridge (Turf Sprint) popped an abscess this a.m. & will probably skip his next scheduled breeze. Will return to track tomorrow.

Obviously a big deal as he probably will be a top 3 choice.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Fulla Sheets

Isn't Utley a half to Rainbow View and Just as Well?

ya. . .

[zippyneedsawin]

I can't seem to get to the last page of this thread.. so I figured maybe posting something would work.... let's see....

[Alan07]

Juvenile Male Dirt (3:55)
Post Horse Jockey Trainer Odds
1. Biondetti Ahmed Ajtebi Mahmoud Al Zarooni 12-1
2. Boys At Tosconova Ramon A. Dominguez Richard E. Dutrow, Jr. 5-2
3. J. B.'s Thunder Shaun Bridgmohan Albert M. Stall, Jr. 12-1
4. J P's Gusto Patrick A. Valenzuela David E. Hofmans 10-1
5. Riveting Reason Victor Espinoza Myung Kwon Cho 30-1
6. Stay Thirsty Javier Castellano Todd A. Pletcher 8-1
7. Uncle Mo John R. Velazquez Todd A. Pletcher 7-5
8. Murjan Rafael Bejarano Darrin Miller 30-1
9. Rogue Romance Julien Leparoux Kenneth G. McPeek 30-1
10. Jaycito Mike Smith Mike R. Mitchell 8-1

[robfla]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I can't seem to get to the last page of this thread.. so I figured maybe posting something would work.... let's see....

i had the same problem...fixed now