Rand Paul, intolerant loser

[Antitrust32]

After reading the moveon womans' account of the events, it looks like both parties are at fault.

In no way could it seem like it is premeditated (the pushing her to the ground thing). You can tell by the description exactly what both sides intention were.

The move on bitc.h had one purpose.. and it wasnt innocent. Her goal was to be as close to Paul as possible and get a picture of him with her stupid sign in the background so she could use it as propaganda.

Once the dumb-ass Paul supporters saw her, they knew exactly what her intent was. They did not agree with her purpose and wanted to stop it. So they did a non-violent act and stood infront of her when Paul drove up so she couldnt get her dumb sign in the picture.

She, being a crazy bitc.h like it seems she is (only crazy bitc.hes travel around the country with stupid signs), she decides to highten the situation and run around the people who stood in front of her to block the sign.. and run in the direction of Paul. If she would have just stayed where she was, and didnt run around towards Rand Paul, I would bet a lot of $ she would have not been pushed to the ground.

So then the dumbass Paul supporters take off after the crazy bitc.h & the rest is history. No man ever has the right push a woman to the ground, & there is no doubt that those few Paul supporters were dumbasses. But the moveon bitc.h is certainly no way innocent. She provoked the incident and ususally when people take off running towards a politician they end up on the ground. Both parties involved are epic failures.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

After reading the moveon womans' account of the events, it looks like both parties are at fault.

In no way could it seem like it is premeditated (the pushing her to the ground thing). You can tell by the description exactly what both sides intention were.

The move on bitc.h had one purpose.. and it wasnt innocent. Her goal was to be as close to Paul as possible and get a picture of him with her stupid sign in the background so she could use it as propaganda.

Once the dumb-ass Paul supporters saw her, they knew exactly what her intent was. They did not agree with her purpose and wanted to stop it. So they did a non-violent act and stood infront of her when Paul drove up so she couldnt get her dumb sign in the picture.

She, being a crazy bitc.h like it seems she is (only crazy bitc.hes travel around the country with stupid signs), she decides to highten the situation and run around the people who stood in front of her to block the sign.. and run in the direction of Paul. If she would have just stayed where she was, and didnt run around towards Rand Paul, I would bet a lot of $ she would have not been pushed to the ground.

So then the dumbass Paul supporters take off after the crazy bitc.h & the rest is history. No man ever has the right push a woman to the ground, & there is no doubt that those few Paul supporters were dumbasses. But the moveon bitc.h is certainly no way innocent. She provoked the incident and ususally when people take off running towards a politician they end up on the ground. Both parties involved are epic failures.

[geeker2]

I'm not saying he should'a stomped her....

http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/ch...19h8S3VukVX-Rw

[Riot]

After reading the moveon womans' account of the events, it looks like both parties are at fault.

If you ever attend a public gay rights rally, and you hold up a sign touting gay rights while standing next to a crowd of ignorant rednecks, and they grab you, throw you to the ground and stomp on you - well, I hope you remember you are at fault for that.

[geeker2]

Sorry Riot - but the truth shall set you free..the women would appear to be a LIAR


http://www.redstate.com/rs_insider/2...ead-stomp-vid/

I didn't see any other protesters/supporters charge the SUV. Of course that's no excuse for the shoulder smash!

Giggidy giggidy giggidy!!

[geeker2]

She should thank the guy in the video that tried to put her blonde wig back on -

Those moveover people have no couth !!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Sorry Riot - but the truth shall set you free..the women would appear to be a LIAR


http://www.redstate.com/rs_insider/2...ead-stomp-vid/

Liar? LOL - this exactly matches her description of what happened.

If that was the start of it (holding up a sign they don't like to the car, which is perfectly legal, btw) - that further verifies her version of events - where they subsequently chase her all around the car to take her down. Only it adds being singled out, roughed up and jerked away from the car at the start of it all, too.

These guys are doomed in court.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

Liar? LOL - this exactly matches her description of what happened.

If that was the start of it (holding up a sign they don't like to the car, which is perfectly legal, btw) - that further verifies her version of events - where they subsequently chase her all around the car to take her down. Only it adds being singled out, roughed up and jerked away from the car at the start of it all, too.

These guys are doomed in court.

Did she not stick the sign into the open window of the SUV?

I thought she said she was an innocent bystander - just standing there holding her sign?

[clyde]

Ralphy...Riot's rear view mirror.



She sees what she wants to see,whether anything's closer to her than anything appears to be...or not.

It's perfectly o.k. to stick a sign in a moving car.

So politically correct it hurts.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by clyde

Ralphy...Riot's rear view mirror.



She sees what she wants to see,whether anything's closer to her than anything appears to be...or not.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Did she not stick the sign into the open window of the SUV?

I thought she said she was an innocent bystander - just standing there holding her sign?

It matches exactly what she said happened. It further verifies her veracity.

She said she went up to the car - you can see suits rushing up to push her away (although they didn't push away the Rand sign guys right next to her, of course).

Then take all the time it takes for Paul to get out of the car, etc (where the other full-length video picks up) - meanwhile the volunteer goons are chasing her around the car (which is exactly what she said happened) and pull her back and down to the ground and stomp on her. There are two Lexington PD standing right next to Paul as he gets out of the car.

They tried to get the police to get her out of there beforehand - Proffitt foolishly admitted it - and the police of course said no reason to get her away (because it is, you know, entirely legal to protest political candidates). They knew this girl from previous Rand Paul events.

So the absolute rush to pull her back by the suits - that just plays into her hands about them deciding to target her beforehand. And after they push her back about 10 feet (shown on your tape) - the goons take it up and continue chasing her around the car, finally taking her down and stomping on her?

That makes it WORSE for the goons - she already is no longer any possible "threat" (not that holding up a political sign is justification for assault in the USA in the first place)

You know who revealed the names of Tim Proffitt and Mike Pezzano to the police, in response to the pictures posted on blogs taken from the tape, and from cell phone pics taken by other Rand supporter people there who couldn't believe what was going on?

Female Kentucky Tea Party members who were disgusted by what happened.

And the main blog responsible for identifying these guys was the blog of a Rand Paul supporter who was at the event, and made sure he got good pictures of the guys faces immediately afterwards.

[Riot]

Google News from SF Chronicle tonight. There are pictures and video on the site:

Rand Paul volunteer assaulter Pezzano missing: Sexual battery charges possible

Unlike head stomping Rand Paul ex-county coordinator Tim Profitt who sent press releases to AP and did an interview with a Kentucky TV news program, the other assault suspect Mike Pezzano has kept a lower profile. Kentucky police are considering charges against at least two more Rand Paul supporters caught on tape wrestling Lauren Valle to the ground while Tim Profitt stomped on her head.

"At this point, the investigation is still ongoing," Lexington Police spokeswoman Sherelle Roberts said. "We're looking into other individuals who may have been involved in the assault and could get charged."

Though Pezzano has not been identified by Lexington police, evidence that has surfaced in Tea Party blogs have positively identified him as the person who dragged Valle to the ground while holding her by her left breast as she was forcibly restrained.

Rand Paul volunteer Mike Pezzano is nowhere to be found and is presumed hiding or quietly trying to find a really good criminal defense lawyer. Pezzano has been positively identified by anonymous Tea Party activists who published his pictures online in the same plaid shirt worn by Valle's attacker.

Mike Pezzano's picture was anonymously distributed by Tea Party activists who were offended by his assault of activist Lauren Velle

In the widely distributed video published by the Associated Press, Pezzano is seen tacking and pushing Valle down to the ground as he was grabbing her left breast. Look at 0.09 second frame.

Grabbing Valle's breast as she was being pushed down is significant as it can be grounds for sexual battery in addition to fourth degree assault.

A frame by frame review of the assault by Pezzano clearly shows him grabbing Valle's left breast as he forcibly restrains her. Valle provides no resistance as she is brought down and instinctively assumes a fetal position trying to protect herself.

The video evidence and the high profile nature of the assault is compelling and could force the hand of Lexington police and prosecutors to upgrade charges from fourth degree assault to sexual battery.

In the case of head stomper Tim Profitt, Valle's resulting concussion also brings a strong possibility of an upgrade from fourth degree assault to felony assault.

A Talking Points Memo reader who claims to have been a former Fayette County prosecutor wrote:

The Lexington-Fayette police department, which is evidently conducting the investigation, is very professional and non-political. They can charge under KY law without consulting either Larson or Roberts, but as a practical matter I am certain there is consultation going on.

In this still frame, it is clear that Pezzano grabs Valle's breast as he forcibly restrained. The act of touching Valle's breast in the act of restraining her brings the possibility of sexual battery in addition to fourth degree assault.

In this still frame, it is clear that Pezzano grabs Valle's breast as he forcibly restrained. The act of touching Valle's breast in the act of restraining her brings the possibility of sexual battery in addition to fourth degree assault.

I worked with Larson 30+ years ago but have not spoken to him in many years. Larson is elected as a Democrat, BUT he is totally non-partisan in how he makes decisions on prosecutions. Larry Roberts, likewise, is elected as a Democrat; although I met him many years ago, I cannot say that I know him. He also has a reputation within the legal community of being of the highest personal integrity and makes decisions on prosecutions strictly on the merits and on a totally non-partisan basis.

Although both men are elected Democrats, politics will not have anything to do with any decision either may make in this case. I should also state that there is no question that these are tough, hard-nosed prosecutors.

Based upon the video and assuming there is no exculpatory evidence not on the video, the perpetrator(s) would be well advised to get a first rate criminal attorney and start plea bargaining and hope they can do some time on a misdemeanor in the Fayette County jail. If the report is correct that the victim suffered a concussion, then a felony prosecution is very a distinct possibility. No competent defense attorney wants to cross examine that video.

There is no doubt that civil charges will be filed by Valle in addition to criminal charges that will be filed by Lexington.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...#ixzz13cCgYSF9

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Female Kentucky Tea Party members who were disgusted by what happened.

And the main blog responsible for identifying these guys was the blog of a Rand Paul supporter who was at the event, and made sure he got good pictures of the guys faces immediately afterwards.

so considering what a Conway supporter did (tin foil hat and all) surely your in the Rand camp now!

Stay on the Muslim/Death Row Imate/ Illegal Alien side! Now I understand the change in the GOP and God Bless!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Liar? LOL - this exactly matches her description of what happened.

If that was the start of it (holding up a sign they don't like to the car, which is perfectly legal, btw) - that further verifies her version of events - where they subsequently chase her all around the car to take her down. Only it adds being singled out, roughed up and jerked away from the car at the start of it all, too.

These guys are doomed in court.

you really are an idiot

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you really are an idiot

And you're a snarky bitch with self-esteem issues. And stupid. So?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

And you're a snarky bitch with self-esteem issues. And stupid. So?

I'll agree with the snarky bitch (when it comes to dealing with you). But I can assure you that my self esteem is a#1doubleplusgood.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you ever attend a public gay rights rally, and you hold up a sign touting gay rights while standing next to a crowd of ignorant rednecks, and they grab you, throw you to the ground and stomp on you - well, I hope you remember you are at fault for that.

not exactly the same... in fact totally different (not that I expect anything else from you)

If I attend a Catholic rally in rainbow chaps and decide to rush the Pope, I will expect to get pushed to the ground and held down.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

not exactly the same... in fact totally different (not that I expect anything else from you)

If I attend a Catholic rally in rainbow chaps and decide to rush the Pope, I will expect to get pushed to the ground and held down.

But I"ll bet you don't expect, after you get pushed away from the Pope and that threat is gone, to be continued to be chased by the crowd, and held down and stomped on by other attendees who decide they are now in charge of "security"?

Hard to run fast in chaps, btw ....

You could attend a Rand Paul rally and propose gay rights, and I'm sure you will get shoved to the ground. Our next Senator doesn't believe in gay rights. I'm angry over that for you. It's not fair. You sex life is none of his business. How dare he throw his religion over your rights as a person. Of course, according to you I'm just an idiot, so probably Rand Paul is right on that.