NE's two Rookie tight ends

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Nice to see we have fantasy football nerds in here... and someone who doesn't realize that whenever you have a deep safety shading to your side - the deep ball is double teamed.

Moss is not running underneath routes. He's attacking the deep safety - and opening up the middle of the football field.

There is absolutely no reason to even look his way ever - until the safeties come in the box to prevent wide open guys underneath.

Brady went 19-for-23 to those underneath guys - whenever you can complete 83% of your passes - with little to no risk of turnovers - what's the point in heaving up bombs into double coverage?

There was no double coverage. Vontae Davis was glued to him the entire 1st half, never getting open while the safeties watched for Hernandez and chased Welker short all night.

Anyways would like to see where the quote came from...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

There was no double coverage.

the safeties watched for Hernandez and chased Welker short all night.

Uh huh...kind of like on this TD pass.




So ... you're saying the Pats had one on one coverage to Moss all game ... if Davis simply slipped - it was a walk to the endzone because the safeties were up hounding a 20-year-old rookie who caught all 5 targets - and Welker?

Wow, The Pats can still complete 83% of there pass plays all while ignoring Moss 1-on-1 the whole entire game. They are even better than I thought.

Vonte Davis merely slips 3 times - and Moss winds up trotting into the endzone with three 80 yard TD's because the Dolphins are fixated with using the deep saftey to contain a 20-year-old tight end taken in like the 3rd round of the draft.

[randallscott35]

Hernandez is a stud, no doubt. You are going to score with the best of them. Defense still doesn't do it for me in January.

[slotdirt]

Completely unrelated, but anybody hazard a guess as to what team leads the league in catches by tight ends to this point in the season?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Hernandez is a stud, no doubt. You are going to score with the best of them. Defense still doesn't do it for me in January.

Hernandez is working against nickle guys and sometimes linebackers. That's why he's caught 18 out of 20 targets this year.. and on a few occasions has been wide open but the ball hasn't come his way.

The deep ball to Moss was doubled almost all night long - and - in the redzone - Moss saw traditonal double coverage.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Uh huh...kind of like on this TD pass.




So ... you're saying the Pats had one on one coverage to Moss all game ... if Davis simply slipped - it was a walk to the endzone because the safeties were up hounding a 20-year-old rookie who caught all 5 targets - and Welker?

Wow, The Pats can still complete 83% of there pass plays all while ignoring Moss 1-on-1 the whole entire game. They are even better than I thought.

Vonte Davis merely slips 3 times - and Moss winds up trotting into the endzone with three 80 yard TD's because the Dolphins are fixated with using the deep saftey to contain a 20-year-old tight end taken in like the 3rd round of the draft.

Hey your right on the play. Moss attacked the safety. In fact if the play where the Woodhead was not available underneath, and Brady had a little more time, I'm sure Brady would had connected to Moss in the middle for the score instead.

I watched that 1st half, and it was Vontae one-on-one, but there wasn't even a try to get a pass to Moss except on the fake. Moss has been doubled-team his entire career, and you scream when Brady tries to thread it to him. Yet one-on-one and no pass.

You are on to something with the Pats actually having a great offense. Brady is completing 69% of his passes and Moss only has 9 catches and 22 targets. But the offense is flowing through some other players these days, namely TE Aaron Hernandez, who is becoming a factor in the middle of the field and also in the red zone (not to mention Rob Gronkowski). The safeties were watching. Let's face it, his coach is known for avoiding tough matchups when they are presented to him, so he might have simply gone into the game thinking he was going to avoid top corner Vontae Davis.

Or since Moss is looking for the big pay day and came out complaining, maybe coach is issuing a statement that I may not need you, so good luck finding your money.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Or since Moss is looking for the big pay day and came out complaining, maybe coach is issuing a statement that I may not need you, so good luck finding your money.

You know what happens when you throw the deep ball?


* you put stress on the offensive line - and get more drive killing holding calls

* you get your QB banged up because the plays aren't always quick to develop and you have to step into your throws. Brady got KO'd for the season in '08 in game #1 on a deep ball to Moss. He ended up playing with several broken ribs last year. A lot of teams in Minny came out of the gate 5-0 and ended up with beat up qbs later in the year... which isn't good when your own D is swiss cheese.

* If you do strike and score a quick touchdown - and it only means that pile of sh!t New England defense on the sideline you have has to come out.


When you can complete 80+% of your passes to always wide open in space underneath reciever... have long clock grinding drives .. with a defense like the one the Pats have, that's better than trying to force quick scores.

If Moss leaves New England - this entire offense collapses. There is no one that can even remotely stretch a defense .. and guys like Wes Welker and the tight ends will struggle wildly because the space to work with won't be there. Danny Woodhead becomes worthless. This is a 6-10 team without Moss .. and a medicore offense that will utterly suck in the red area.

[RockHardTen1985]

What a big win for us last night.
Go Pats.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

What a big win for us last night.
Go Pats.

LOL, man have you been quiet since losing your ass last week and looking as dumb as ever with your Jets bashing.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL, man have you been quiet since losing your ass last week and looking as dumb as ever with your Jets bashing.

Um not really. I have been darted.
Did you really think I could be this quiet?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You know what happens when you throw the deep ball?


* you put stress on the offensive line - and get more drive killing holding calls

* you get your QB banged up because the plays aren't always quick to develop and you have to step into your throws. Brady got KO'd for the season in '08 in game #1 on a deep ball to Moss. He ended up playing with several broken ribs last year. A lot of teams in Minny came out of the gate 5-0 and ended up with beat up qbs later in the year... which isn't good when your own D is swiss cheese.

* If you do strike and score a quick touchdown - and it only means that pile of sh!t New England defense on the sideline you have has to come out.


When you can complete 80+% of your passes to always wide open in space underneath reciever... have long clock grinding drives .. with a defense like the one the Pats have, that's better than trying to force quick scores.
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NO F.UCKING ****!

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If Moss leaves New England - this entire offense collapses. There is no one that can even remotely stretch a defense .. and guys like Wes Welker and the tight ends will struggle wildly because the space to work with won't be there. Danny Woodhead becomes worthless. This is a 6-10 team without Moss .. and a medicore offense that will utterly suck in the red area.

We'll see.