8/29 (SAR): Personal Ensign S. (G1)

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race doesn't prove she has distance limitations.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission.

The splits were not quick and she lost to a horse with an 85 Beyer top. Let's say it's not stamina that limits her, she's still going to lose top races at 10 furlongs because she's unable to lay off the lead far enough where she won't be gassed by the last 1/8 if they go quick early.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The splits were not quick and she lost to a horse with an 85 Beyer top.

The pace - at the six furlong call - was 27 full points faster than the final time.

So - let's get very conservative and say Persistantly just ran to her 85 Beyer last time out (which came with a 3wide first turn and 5 wide 2nd turn trip - in a race with a lot less pace to set her up)

That would make the pace figure for six furlongs a 112... and you don't get any more conservative than that... the number is probably a lot higher.

When you run a 112 pace figure - with intense head-to-head pressure from the start - you're going to stop at some point.

Assuming you want to go with a 112-85 for this race. That means Life At Ten ran a pace figure of 111 and a final figure of in the mid 70's.

This pace figure is most likely about a 120-to-123 and Persistantly's winning Beyer is about a 92-to-95.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The pace - at the six furlong call - was 27 full points faster than the final time.

So - let's get very conservative and say Persistantly just ran to her 85 Beyer last time out (which came with a 3wide first turn and 5 wide 2nd turn trip - in a race with a lot less pace to set her up)

That would make the pace figure for six furlongs a 112... and you don't get any more conservative than that... the number is probably a lot higher.

When you run a 112 pace figure - with intense head-to-head pressure from the start - you're going to stop at some point.

Assuming you want to go with a 112-85 for this race. That means Life At Ten ran a pace figure of 111 and a final figure of in the mid 70's.

This pace figure is most likely about a 120-to-123 and Persistantly's winning Beyer is about a 92-to-95.

And that 92 is the stuff champions are made of.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

And that 92 is the stuff champions are made of.

Persistantly did not run the same pace figure RA and Life At Ten did - she was back in another county.

[10 pnt move up]

Little confused why Borel felt the need to send no matter what. So he guns against an inferior speed horse, if that horse goes he has no choice once committing, if he sits back and feels they are going too slow then he can send. Not sure that was a good tactic.

Still you craaaaaaaaaaaaaawl home like that you should win against the likes of persistently.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Little confused why Borel felt the need to send no matter what. So he guns against an inferior speed horse, if that horse goes he has no choice once committing, if he sits back and feels they are going too slow then he can send. Not sure that was a good tactic.

Still you craaaaaaaaaaaaaawl home like that you should win against the likes of persistently.

Perhaps those were his instructions.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Little confused why Borel felt the need to send no matter what. So he guns against an inferior speed horse, if that horse goes he has no choice once committing, if he sits back and feels they are going too slow then he can send. Not sure that was a good tactic.

It's never the jockey on the inside's fault in a speed duel - it's always the jockey on the outside's fault.

This is like common sense 101.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission - she was OPEN LENGTHS better than Persistantly today ... but she gets 3rd money for it ... and was off the tv screen at the finish.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's never the jockey on the inside's fault in a speed duel - it's always the jockey on the outside's fault.

This is like common sense 101.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission - she was OPEN LENGTHS better than Persistantly today ... but she gets 3rd money for it ... and was off the tv screen at the finish.

So what your saying is that if a speed horse like LIT is in the race, outside of RA she never could take back, I find that a bit hard to believe.

She still should have won but just don't think it was a very good ride.

Here I am making excuses for the horse.....of all people.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's never the jockey on the inside's fault in a speed duel - it's always the jockey on the outside's fault.

This is like common sense 101.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission - she was OPEN LENGTHS better than Persistantly today ... but she gets 3rd money for it ... and was off the tv screen at the finish.

Was Siphon open lengths better than Dare And Go in the Pacific Classic? Or did Bailey phuck up by keeping tabs on Siphon, or was it really that dip$hit Nakatani on Dramatic Gold for messing with Cigar? To me that's what makes horseracing, no need for explanations or excuses, good horses should be able to overcome crap at times.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's never the jockey on the inside's fault in a speed duel - it's always the jockey on the outside's fault.

This is like common sense 101.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission - she was OPEN LENGTHS better than Persistantly today ... but she gets 3rd money for it ... and was off the tv screen at the finish.

Drugs..you are trying to talk common sense with a freaking clown. For years, especially this past year, I come on to read mainly. I've read RHT's post and his dream bets. He's the most annoying poster I've ever seen on here, and that's saying a lot. I've been on this thing since 2006 and have never seen anyone post a 100WPS bet on a maiden claiming turf race. So, the bottom line don't waste your time trying to talk sense into him.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Persistantly did not run the same pace figure RA and Life At Ten did - she was back in another county.

I just crushed the 11th, Im going to dinner. I dont even care. Rachel is really good and has distance trouble. Even the ICE COLD WIZZARD called it out. Just because you or Andy or anyone says no, does not mean its not true. Does class not matter anymore? She cant hold off that horse? I dont care if she went 46-109 with the clear lead in stretch she is supposed to win, AND SHE COULD NOT.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The pace - at the six furlong call - was 27 full points faster than the final time.

So - let's get very conservative and say Persistantly just ran to her 85 Beyer last time out (which came with a 3wide first turn and 5 wide 2nd turn trip - in a race with a lot less pace to set her up)

That would make the pace figure for six furlongs a 112... and you don't get any more conservative than that... the number is probably a lot higher.

When you run a 112 pace figure - with intense head-to-head pressure from the start - you're going to stop at some point.

Assuming you want to go with a 112-85 for this race. That means Life At Ten ran a pace figure of 111 and a final figure of in the mid 70's.

This pace figure is most likely about a 120-to-123 and Persistantly's winning Beyer is about a 92-to-95.

The fact that she crawled home doesn't mean it was a fast pace relative to the speed of the track. And your pace figure dissertation doesn't explain why she's likely to ever get 10 furlongs in a top class race.