8/29 (SAR): Personal Ensign S. (G1)

The Indomitable DrugS · #1 08-29-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I guess it'll be the Distaff. She's a terrific horse and being limited to brilliance at nine furlongs is no shame.

The race doesn't prove she has distance limitations.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission.

Alan07 · #2 08-29-2010, 05:12 PM

Does Andy put the dunce cap on now?

Danzig · #3 08-29-2010, 05:12 PM

congrats to shug, he ought to be thrilled right now.

Rileyoriley · #4 08-29-2010, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

congrats to shug, he ought to be thrilled right now.

And the Phipps and their homebred.

pba1817 · #5 08-29-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race doesn't prove she has distance limitations.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission.

And Rachel was IN FRONT of the suicide mission horse...

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 08-29-2010, 05:16 PM

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And Rachel was IN FRONT of the suicide mission horse...

I know - just as Xtra Heat was in front of the suicide mission Harmony Lodge in the Test.

pba1817 · #7 08-29-2010, 05:21 PM

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I know - just as Xtra Heat was in front of the suicide mission Harmony Lodge in the Test.

WTF does that have anything to do here? The Test is a 7f sprint, not a 1 1/4.

The Indomitable DrugS · #8 08-29-2010, 05:41 PM

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WTF does that have anything to do here? The Test is a 7f sprint, not a 1 1/4.

It's called trip handicapping. The people here who gave Admiral Alex a shot to finish in the top half of the field in the Travers ought to look into it.

RockHardTen1985 · #9 08-29-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race doesn't prove she has distance limitations.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission.

Dude wake up. Your not the know all end all. Is there such a thing called class anymore? She should beat that Shug horse. The fractions were not that hot and she got gunned down by the definition of a plodder. Keep making excuses though. Ateam is right go crush the Beldame and win the Ladies BC race. Nothing wrong with that.

ateamstupid · #10 08-29-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race doesn't prove she has distance limitations.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission.

The splits were not quick and she lost to a horse with an 85 Beyer top. Let's say it's not stamina that limits her, she's still going to lose top races at 10 furlongs because she's unable to lay off the lead far enough where she won't be gassed by the last 1/8 if they go quick early.

The Indomitable DrugS · #11 08-29-2010, 05:40 PM

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The splits were not quick and she lost to a horse with an 85 Beyer top.

The pace - at the six furlong call - was 27 full points faster than the final time.

So - let's get very conservative and say Persistantly just ran to her 85 Beyer last time out (which came with a 3wide first turn and 5 wide 2nd turn trip - in a race with a lot less pace to set her up)

That would make the pace figure for six furlongs a 112... and you don't get any more conservative than that... the number is probably a lot higher.

When you run a 112 pace figure - with intense head-to-head pressure from the start - you're going to stop at some point.

Assuming you want to go with a 112-85 for this race. That means Life At Ten ran a pace figure of 111 and a final figure of in the mid 70's.

This pace figure is most likely about a 120-to-123 and Persistantly's winning Beyer is about a 92-to-95.

RockHardTen1985 · #12 08-29-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The pace - at the six furlong call - was 27 full points faster than the final time.

So - let's get very conservative and say Persistantly just ran to her 85 Beyer last time out (which came with a 3wide first turn and 5 wide 2nd turn trip - in a race with a lot less pace to set her up)

That would make the pace figure for six furlongs a 112... and you don't get any more conservative than that... the number is probably a lot higher.

When you run a 112 pace figure - with intense head-to-head pressure from the start - you're going to stop at some point.

Assuming you want to go with a 112-85 for this race. That means Life At Ten ran a pace figure of 111 and a final figure of in the mid 70's.

This pace figure is most likely about a 120-to-123 and Persistantly's winning Beyer is about a 92-to-95.

And that 92 is the stuff champions are made of.

The Indomitable DrugS · #13 08-29-2010, 05:42 PM

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And that 92 is the stuff champions are made of.

Persistantly did not run the same pace figure RA and Life At Ten did - she was back in another county.

10 pnt move up · #14 08-29-2010, 05:45 PM

Little confused why Borel felt the need to send no matter what. So he guns against an inferior speed horse, if that horse goes he has no choice once committing, if he sits back and feels they are going too slow then he can send. Not sure that was a good tactic.

Still you craaaaaaaaaaaaaawl home like that you should win against the likes of persistently.

Arletta · #15 08-29-2010, 05:47 PM

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Little confused why Borel felt the need to send no matter what. So he guns against an inferior speed horse, if that horse goes he has no choice once committing, if he sits back and feels they are going too slow then he can send. Not sure that was a good tactic.

Still you craaaaaaaaaaaaaawl home like that you should win against the likes of persistently.

Perhaps those were his instructions.

The Indomitable DrugS · #16 08-29-2010, 05:49 PM

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Little confused why Borel felt the need to send no matter what. So he guns against an inferior speed horse, if that horse goes he has no choice once committing, if he sits back and feels they are going too slow then he can send. Not sure that was a good tactic.

It's never the jockey on the inside's fault in a speed duel - it's always the jockey on the outside's fault.

This is like common sense 101.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission - she was OPEN LENGTHS better than Persistantly today ... but she gets 3rd money for it ... and was off the tv screen at the finish.

RockHardTen1985 · #17 08-29-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Persistantly did not run the same pace figure RA and Life At Ten did - she was back in another county.

I just crushed the 11th, Im going to dinner. I dont even care. Rachel is really good and has distance trouble. Even the ICE COLD WIZZARD called it out. Just because you or Andy or anyone says no, does not mean its not true. Does class not matter anymore? She cant hold off that horse? I dont care if she went 46-109 with the clear lead in stretch she is supposed to win, AND SHE COULD NOT.

ateamstupid · #18 08-29-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The pace - at the six furlong call - was 27 full points faster than the final time.

So - let's get very conservative and say Persistantly just ran to her 85 Beyer last time out (which came with a 3wide first turn and 5 wide 2nd turn trip - in a race with a lot less pace to set her up)

That would make the pace figure for six furlongs a 112... and you don't get any more conservative than that... the number is probably a lot higher.

When you run a 112 pace figure - with intense head-to-head pressure from the start - you're going to stop at some point.

Assuming you want to go with a 112-85 for this race. That means Life At Ten ran a pace figure of 111 and a final figure of in the mid 70's.

This pace figure is most likely about a 120-to-123 and Persistantly's winning Beyer is about a 92-to-95.

The fact that she crawled home doesn't mean it was a fast pace relative to the speed of the track. And your pace figure dissertation doesn't explain why she's likely to ever get 10 furlongs in a top class race.