Who beats Zenyatta if the BC was at SA this year?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The Clark sure was some race. Giant Oak was beaten 1.5 lengths and Anak Nakal was beaten 2 lengths.

[smuthg]

Rail Trip could potentialy have a shot if she's forced to go 14-wide by Mr. Smith.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Well - I think Zenyatta would probably run a well beaten 4th in the Classic this year if it was on synthetic - but like I said, she'd have no trouble beating the Americans home.

Three different unidentified Euro's would stomp her though.

[Thunder Gulch]

I know what you are saying about lack of proven synthetic runners, but she is barely beating absolute pigs now. Nobody stepped up last year, but that doesn't make it a cinch nobody would this time around.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I know what you are saying about lack of proven synthetic runners, but she is barely beating absolute pigs now. Nobody stepped up last year, but that doesn't make it a cinch nobody would this time around.

She's barely beating total pigs because of the way these races are being run.

If you put her in a race like the BC Classic on syn - it's going to be a big field - and it's going to have a lot of pace in it, it's more ground to work with. That suits her a whole lot better than slower paced races at shorter distances.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Well - I think Zenyatta would probably run a well beaten 4th in the Classic this year if it was on synthetic - but like I said, she'd have no trouble beating the Americans home.

Three different unidentified Euro's would stomp her though.

What is up with this Zenyatta bashing? Its been 2 weeks now. Do you really have nothing better to do up in Erie? Small town like that even a clown like you has to be popular. I know they hate you at PID, but go hang out there bang some ugly chicks, do something with yourself... Register in more contests, apply for TVG, do something.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Three different unidentified Euro's would stomp her though.

No way... only way she loses is trip.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by smuthg

No way... only way she loses is trip.

Trust me, all the good synthetic horses are in Europe racing on turf - the same place all of the good turf horses happen to be.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Trust me, all the good synthetic horses are in Europe racing on turf - the same place all of the good turf horses happen to be.

Then why didn't those good synthetic horses show up for the $10 Mil Dubai World Cup? I'm not questioning they fact that good turf horses in Europe wouldn't show up and run well on the Pro-Ride in the classic, but I don't think they would be any better than Zenyatta.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by smuthg

Then why didn't those good synthetic horses show up for the $10 Mil Dubai World Cup? I'm not questioning they fact that good turf horses in Europe wouldn't show up and run well on the Pro-Ride in the classic, but I don't think they would be any better than Zenyatta.

Gio Ponti and Twice Over were both off the board behind huge longshots in that stupid $10 Dubai race .. and further - they ran like a $6 million turf race and a $5 million turf race or something insane the same day.

Also - the best horses in Europe are typically given the winter off.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Trust me, all the good synthetic horses are in Europe racing on turf - the same place all of the good turf horses happen to be.

I guess the same question would apply to the 2008 Classic. I presume with this logic, you think she's 3rd merely outfinishing one of your all time favorite Tiago and behind Raven's Pass and Henry?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by smuthg

I guess the same question would apply to the 2008 Classic. I presume with this logic, you think she's 3rd merely outfinishing one of your all time favorite Tiago and behind Raven's Pass and Henry?

Only 3 Euro's showed up for that BC Classic edition .. and the exacta paid $319 with two Euro's running 1st and 2nd.

If it's 7 Euro's VS 7 Americans on synthetic you'd notice their dominance more. Instead, - it's more like 10 American horses VS 2.5 Euro's - and the Euro's have to fly halfway around the world to Santa Anita for the race.

How do you think Conduit would have done if he would have run in the BC Brown Turf instead of the BC Green Turf the last two years?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Clark sure was some race. Giant Oak was beaten 1.5 lengths and Anak Nakal was beaten 2 lengths.

Dude you started a thread and I answered, has Blame not validated it?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Dude you started a thread and I answered, has Blame not validated it?

Not really. He's just made natural progression from age 3 to 4 that's consistant with a healthy horse.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Not really.

IC... LOL. Blame has just won 2 G1's in a row. Beating EVERYONES, including myself top horse. Misremembered ran HUGE IN THE BIG CAP. He made a big premature move and kept going. For once, your wrong. Blame is undefeated since... Your response is, not really?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yes, Misremembered ran huge in the Big Cap by holding off Neko Bay and he lost his two prior starts to M One Rifle and Jeranimo.

Another horse who made a natural progression from age 3 to age 4.

Anytime you're involved in a race where Anak Nakal finishes 5th beaten 2 lengths and Giant Oak finishes 4th beaten 1.5 lengths - unless you had an absolute world of trouble - it's no major accomplishment.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes, Misremembered ran huge in the Big Cap by holding off Neko Bay and he lost his two prior starts to M One Rifle and Jeranimo.

Another horse who made a natural progression from age 3 to age 4.

Anytime you're involved in a race where Anak Nakal finishes 5th beaten 2 lengths and Giant Oak finishes 4th beaten 1.5 lengths - unless you had an absolute world of trouble - it's no major accomplishment.

OK Doug, then right now, who are the good horses? I want to hear this from the master. I am being serious, in your opinion who is good?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

OK Doug, then right now, who are the good horses? I want to hear this from the master. I am being serious, in your opinion who is good?

On Turf:

The best are in Europe.

Harbinger's last two races - and especially his most recent one - were out of this world. He bounced in his next workout though and his career is over.

The most impressive turf performance in America this year was Chinchon in the United Nations - and he came into the race off of a 4th place finish in a 5 horse field - and a 6th place finish the race prior - those two starts both in France.

On Synthetic:

Zenyatta and Informed Decision may both have lost a step - but they're still a combined 26-25-0-1 lifetime on synthetic tracks... the lone loss coming by ID when making her first start off of the long layoff, in a Grade 1, without a single published workout on her form.

On Dirt:

Everything is up for grabs. Quality Road has two very good races (Donn and Met) and two very poor races (Hal's Hope and Whitney) - Blame has improved a little bit in each of his 3 solid stakes wins. Not sure where Musket Man's good race came from - but he was best in the Whitney.

Rail Trip can take over the division if he improves on dirt as much as he figures to and if the Dutrow meds take hold. I Want Revenge had no right to run well and didn't in his return - but why isn't he eligible to move forward now? Lookin At Sucky and Concord Point are both off of two pretty nice races and 3yo's this time of year sometimes explode. Omniscent ran as fast as LAL did in his Haskell romp - he could be one of these Asmussen's that start finally getting good 5th, 6th, and 7th off the layoff and just keep marching.

Redding Colliery absolutely destroyed Awesome Gem on dirt last time out - running a 111 Beyer - Kiarian freshened him and he's just worked his 3rd straight bullet.


Devil May Care and Blind Luck are very good 3yo fillies. Majestic Perfection is slightly the best of a few pretty solid sprinters in America - and there's a real good one in Canada in Hollywood Hit.