Who beats Zenyatta if the BC was at SA this year?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes, Misremembered ran huge in the Big Cap by holding off Neko Bay and he lost his two prior starts to M One Rifle and Jeranimo.

Another horse who made a natural progression from age 3 to age 4.

Anytime you're involved in a race where Anak Nakal finishes 5th beaten 2 lengths and Giant Oak finishes 4th beaten 1.5 lengths - unless you had an absolute world of trouble - it's no major accomplishment.

OK Doug, then right now, who are the good horses? I want to hear this from the master. I am being serious, in your opinion who is good?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

OK Doug, then right now, who are the good horses? I want to hear this from the master. I am being serious, in your opinion who is good?

On Turf:

The best are in Europe.

Harbinger's last two races - and especially his most recent one - were out of this world. He bounced in his next workout though and his career is over.

The most impressive turf performance in America this year was Chinchon in the United Nations - and he came into the race off of a 4th place finish in a 5 horse field - and a 6th place finish the race prior - those two starts both in France.

On Synthetic:

Zenyatta and Informed Decision may both have lost a step - but they're still a combined 26-25-0-1 lifetime on synthetic tracks... the lone loss coming by ID when making her first start off of the long layoff, in a Grade 1, without a single published workout on her form.

On Dirt:

Everything is up for grabs. Quality Road has two very good races (Donn and Met) and two very poor races (Hal's Hope and Whitney) - Blame has improved a little bit in each of his 3 solid stakes wins. Not sure where Musket Man's good race came from - but he was best in the Whitney.

Rail Trip can take over the division if he improves on dirt as much as he figures to and if the Dutrow meds take hold. I Want Revenge had no right to run well and didn't in his return - but why isn't he eligible to move forward now? Lookin At Sucky and Concord Point are both off of two pretty nice races and 3yo's this time of year sometimes explode. Omniscent ran as fast as LAL did in his Haskell romp - he could be one of these Asmussen's that start finally getting good 5th, 6th, and 7th off the layoff and just keep marching.

Redding Colliery absolutely destroyed Awesome Gem on dirt last time out - running a 111 Beyer - Kiarian freshened him and he's just worked his 3rd straight bullet.


Devil May Care and Blind Luck are very good 3yo fillies. Majestic Perfection is slightly the best of a few pretty solid sprinters in America - and there's a real good one in Canada in Hollywood Hit.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

On Turf:

The best are in Europe.

Harbinger's last two races - and especially his most recent one - were out of this world. He bounced in his next workout though and his career is over.

The most impressive turf performance in America this year was Chinchon in the United Nations - and he came into the race off of a 4th place finish in a 5 horse field - and a 6th place finish the race prior - those two starts both in France.

On Synthetic:

Zenyatta and Informed Decision may both have lost a step - but they're still a combined 26-25-0-1 lifetime on synthetic tracks... the lone loss coming by ID when making her first start off of the long layoff, in a Grade 1, without a single published workout on her form.

On Dirt:

Everything is up for grabs. Quality Road has two very good races (Donn and Met) and two very poor races (Hal's Hope and Whitney) - Blame has improved a little bit in each of his 3 solid stakes wins. Not sure where Musket Man's good race came from - but he was best in the Whitney.

Rail Trip can take over the division if he improves on dirt as much as he figures to and if the Dutrow meds take hold. I Want Revenge had no right to run well and didn't in his return - but why isn't he eligible to move forward now? Lookin At Sucky and Concord Point are both off of two pretty nice races and 3yo's this time of year sometimes explode. Omniscent ran as fast as LAL did in his Haskell romp - he could be one of these Asmussen's that start finally getting good 5th, 6th, and 7th off the layoff and just keep marching.

Redding Colliery absolutely destroyed Awesome Gem on dirt last time out - running a 111 Beyer - Kiarian freshened him and he's just worked his 3rd straight bullet.


Devil May Care and Blind Luck are very good 3yo fillies. Majestic Perfection is slightly the best of a few pretty solid sprinters in America - and there's a real good one in Canada in Hollywood Hit.

I told someone last week I thought Redding Colliery could back into HOY... Crazy long shot, but a JCGC and BCC win would do it. I loved his last, and he set a track record earlier in the year. Its taking him a while to get back though, and I wonder if he is right. I think more of Lucky and Concord Point then you do... Baffert knows what he is doing and I think they are both really good 3 yr olds in a bad crop. I would expect them to both do well moving forward and facing elders. I was crazy over QR he needs to CRUSH THE WOODWARD, he needs to win it for fun then we can look at him again. I think I Want Revenge and Rail Trip suck, maybe I Want Revenge can find the right kind of group to beat, but I would give him NO CHANCE AT ALL vs Blame, Quality Road and Redding Colliery. I dont see where Rail Trip gets a win on the NYRA circuit... I cant see him beating QR in the Woodward, and I dont see him beating Blame or RC in the JCGC. The turf horses suck, and I think thats what your saying... Zenyatta IMO has not lost a step and I expect her to run huge in the Classic. I think shes a total lock to at the very least run 1-2-3, and a legit win contender, I know you disagree. Informed Decision has lost a step, and I dont think she can win the Ballerina. I hope Rachel crushed Life At Ten, because I think L@T is decent at best and has been very opportunistic beating bad HORRIBLE FIELDS. The Del Cap SUCKED. Unrivalled Belle is a joke, she beats Rachel and just continues to get popped by Todd's horses. I actually wanted UB to be good, maybe she is and just cought speed favoring tracks, who knows? Blame just keeps getting better and I really dont see who can be competitive in the JCGC unless Redding Colliery is ready and healthy.
I think the sprint division is MajesticPerfections to lose, but Discreetly Mine seems to be getting REALLY GOOD.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I'm now sold on Rail Trip.

Rail Trip is my #1 rated horse in the world with Harbinger out.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm now sold on Rail Trip.

Rail Trip is my #1 rated horse in the world with Harbinger out.

The response I have come to expect from you when trying to have a real conversation about actual horses.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Devil May Care and Blind Luck are very good 3yo fillies. Majestic Perfection is slightly the best of a few pretty solid sprinters in America - and there's a real good one in Canada in Hollywood Hit.

Watching Blind Luck run well against the grain, yet lose some of them where she just can't overcome the setup only makes it all the more apparent how good Z really is. Anyone who appreciates BL can only appreciate Z more --- as she's about the best there is/was running this style.