Drug O'Neil keeps on a butchering

freddymo · #1 08-10-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The big difference between the 2 situations is the Zito horses were never any good, they have been slow from the start. They obviously want to sell them at that price but more importantly from the trainers standpoint, get a win to pad the stats. Since trainers are almost exclusively selected, hired or fired based on win %, Zito figures he can pick up a couple more cheap wins (like C. Clement does every year at Suffolk) as he already was 2 for 3 there. He won one and lost that one and now has 3 more wins to add to the %.

O'Neil drops horses that have been successful at higher levels when they are broke down hoping to get the claimed and maybe even win as well.

There is a big difference between selling slow horses and broke down ones.

And I do not think that it is the responsibility of the owners who bred or bought the horses at auction. It is the responsibility of the current owner and trainer to protect the horse. If they can't spare the couple of grand they shouldnt be in the "business".

I agree that the situations are different TOTALLY.. I doubt HoF trainer Zito give a flyin Fcuk about winning a Mdn 4 at Suffolk.. It's just the easiest way to stop the bills to his owner..

Cannon Shell · #2 08-10-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I agree that the situations are different TOTALLY.. I doubt HoF trainer Zito give a flyin Fcuk about winning a Mdn 4 at Suffolk.. It's just the easiest way to stop the bills to his owner..

He likes wins like everyone else. Maiden 4's show up in the win column the same as grade 1's.

Payson Dave · #3 08-10-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He likes wins like everyone else. Maiden 4's show up in the win column the same as grade 1's.

Getting Maxine back off of injured reserves should help his win % improve

randallscott35 · #4 08-10-2010, 07:15 PM

Lets not forget the near breakdown of Lava Man. Who knows how close that may have been after he came back with "the ankles of a 3 yr old" from the voodoo doctor.

tiggerv · #5 08-10-2010, 07:33 PM

It's been a real treat to handicap the horses he sends to CT that can't cut it at Philly or Penn National. I don't remember any breaking down but I could have missed one.

There is actually a lot of money to be made off him since most of his horses go off as heavy favorites or close 2nd choice. Toss the low level claimers and assume the ALW horses are live.

Since Feb1
Starter/Allowance/Stakes - 7 Starts 5-0-1
Claiming 10K+ - 6 Starts 2-3-1
Claiming < 10K - 14 Starts 2-1-1

He has been listed as owner for several that have come to CT directly from SoCal. All have run in claimers and he is 1 for 7. I'm not sure how shipping across the country to run for 11K purses makes sense, but he must be making money off it.

Cannon Shell · #6 08-10-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv

It's been a real treat to handicap the horses he sends to CT that can't cut it at Philly or Penn National. I don't remember any breaking down but I could have missed one.

There is actually a lot of money to be made off him since most of his horses go off as heavy favorites or close 2nd choice. Toss the low level claimers and assume the ALW horses are live.

Since Feb1
Starter/Allowance/Stakes - 7 Starts 5-0-1
Claiming 10K+ - 6 Starts 2-3-1
Claiming < 10K - 14 Starts 2-1-1

He has been listed as owner for several that have come to CT directly from SoCal. All have run in claimers and he is 1 for 7. I'm not sure how shipping across the country to run for 11K purses makes sense, but he must be making money off it.

He had a couple big droppers bite the dust this winter at Philly