Drug O'Neil keeps on a butchering

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Scav

He won't do it again that drastic though, any trainer wants to be as far away from possible from publicity like this. Pretty comedy.

Thomas, this is true comedy.

[MISTERGEE]

It is amazing how these trainers and owners who have been given so much by this sport and these horses would be willing to drop horses who are obviously ready to break at any moment to these low levels rather than just retire them. Although you see it everyday. See race 1, PID tonight, Azura. Just ran in an allowance $42,900 purse lunged at the start and got beat about 3 lengths, race before ran 4th in an 85k stake race and before that won an optional 32k race. Tonight is entered for 5k. Hope she scratches

[freddymo]

O Neil cant be defended on any level.. On the 8/9 Suffolk card there were 2 Zito Lapenta Mdn's dropping from 20 to 4 claimers both horses were 200 plus k and both were to slow to compete in NY. I also saw an Ex Phipps 4 year old that was out of Finders Fee racing as well.

The real question is does a horse's previous owner need to be responsible for the life of the animal that they purchased or bred and raced? Tough issue in the case of the two LaPenta Zito's yesterday ther were purchased in 08 for real money who knows how much was poored into the training feeding and vetting for these for the last 18 months. It isn't unresonable that each had 100k of added expense until they were claimed away.. Should Lapenta have to inspect or be involved with the horses future because he raised his paddle the highest in a auction in 08? Tough question

[SCUDSBROTHER]

He really entered Tuscan Evening (having a heart attack) into this discussion? WTF ...

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He really entered Tuscan Evening (having a heart attack) into this discussion? WTF ...

I thought that was real classy also

[the_fat_man]

Someone enlighten me here: are claiming horses typically insured? And, if so, is it for a preset level or does it fluctuate depending on the last race level?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Someone enlighten me here: are claiming horses typically insured? And, if so, is it for a preset level or does it fluctuate depending on the last race level?

No, although some tracks will insure a 'claim' on a horse that breaks down. In Illinois you might get half your money back.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Someone enlighten me here: are claiming horses typically insured? And, if so, is it for a preset level or does it fluctuate depending on the last race level?

The claiming price is the max they will get if the horse is insured regardless of what the horse was covered for.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Someone enlighten me here: are claiming horses typically insured? And, if so, is it for a preset level or does it fluctuate depending on the last race level?

yes.. if a horse drops into a 5k claimer, it can only be insured for 5k. their values are always fluctuating.

edit: probably not "typically" insured, though we do have a lot of claimers we write.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He really entered Tuscan Evening (having a heart attack) into this discussion? WTF ...

Tuscan Evening was 0-for-11 in Europe - and was beaten 20+ lengths in a maiden race at Cork in Ireland in her final Euro start.

Obviously our medication had moved her way up.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Tuscan Evening was 0-for-11 in Europe - and was beaten 20+ lengths in a maiden race at Cork in Ireland in her final Euro start.

Obviously our medication had moved her way up.

Lasix will do that for some horses.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Tuscan Evening was 0-for-11 in Europe - and was beaten 20+ lengths in a maiden race at Cork in Ireland in her final Euro start.

Obviously our medication had moved her way up.

Didn't she lose a Group 1 (the Irish 1000 Guineas) by less than a length?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Doug O'Neil is the true definition of "a wolf in sheep's clothes".

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Didn't she lose a Group 1 (the Irish 1000 Guineas) by less than a length?

I think she had a good race or two at like 66/1 or a 100/1 against stakes company on her form - but also a lot of terrible races - some against maidens.

She looked like the kind of horse who showed ability here and there - but other times would get beat 20 lengths against maidens.

That's why I say our medication probably moved her up. You go 0-for-11 in Europe with several terrible races - including a 20 length thumping against Irish maidens at Cork in your final Euro start .. then you come here, romp in your US debut - and go like 6 for 6 this year - with 6 graded stakes wins.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Didn't she lose a Group 1 (the Irish 1000 Guineas) by less than a length?

Yes, she was beaten by just a head, but was disqualified and placed 4th. As a 2yo, she had run 2nd in the G3 Anglesey S and 3rd (by 1.5 l) in the G2 Debutante S. Yet she couldn't win in a several tries in maiden company.

[AeWingnut]

O'Neil is an a-hole. I'm sure there are plenty of people waiting to hand him an anvil on his way down.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

O Neil cant be defended on any level.. On the 8/9 Suffolk card there were 2 Zito Lapenta Mdn's dropping from 20 to 4 claimers both horses were 200 plus k and both were to slow to compete in NY. I also saw an Ex Phipps 4 year old that was out of Finders Fee racing as well.

The real question is does a horse's previous owner need to be responsible for the life of the animal that they purchased or bred and raced? Tough issue in the case of the two LaPenta Zito's yesterday ther were purchased in 08 for real money who knows how much was poored into the training feeding and vetting for these for the last 18 months. It isn't unresonable that each had 100k of added expense until they were claimed away.. Should Lapenta have to inspect or be involved with the horses future because he raised his paddle the highest in a auction in 08? Tough question

It isn't tough, why does a guy like LaPenta even have to run those horses for 4k, why not just retire them to an adaption facility, donate 6 months of care ($1500 roughly at an adaption facility) and clean the books.

These guys are sharp enough to understand that if their trainer is telling them they should run their 6 figure horses for 4k at Suffolk that they aren't very good horses.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Scav

It isn't tough, why does a guy like LaPenta even have to run those horses for 4k, why not just retire them to an adaption facility, donate 6 months of care ($1500 roughly at an adaption facility) and clean the books.

These guys are sharp enough to understand that if their trainer is telling them they should run their 6 figure horses for 4k at Suffolk that they aren't very good horses.

Its a charcter flaw, some call it business.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Its a charcter flaw, some call it business.

I don't know LaPenta at all, but it is hard for me to believe that he is in it for the 'business' side of it. It is structured as a business for obvious reasons.

Also, it is much easier to donate and be done with it because you have a specific end date, you don't have to worry about the horse getting claimed, hurt or anything else that can possibly go wrong.

This way you eliminate the day rate and everything that goes with it.

[Cannon Shell]

In the last 5 years O'Neil has had 23 appear to have broken down. He makes a lot of starts but that is a lot of dead horses. Dale Romans with a similar sized outfit during that same period had 5 break down.