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Old 08-10-2010, 04:44 PM
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O Neil cant be defended on any level.. On the 8/9 Suffolk card there were 2 Zito Lapenta Mdn's dropping from 20 to 4 claimers both horses were 200 plus k and both were to slow to compete in NY. I also saw an Ex Phipps 4 year old that was out of Finders Fee racing as well.

The real question is does a horse's previous owner need to be responsible for the life of the animal that they purchased or bred and raced? Tough issue in the case of the two LaPenta Zito's yesterday ther were purchased in 08 for real money who knows how much was poored into the training feeding and vetting for these for the last 18 months. It isn't unresonable that each had 100k of added expense until they were claimed away.. Should Lapenta have to inspect or be involved with the horses future because he raised his paddle the highest in a auction in 08? Tough question
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Old 08-10-2010, 05:31 PM
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He really entered Tuscan Evening (having a heart attack) into this discussion? WTF ...
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Old 08-10-2010, 05:34 PM
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He really entered Tuscan Evening (having a heart attack) into this discussion? WTF ...
I thought that was real classy also
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Old 08-10-2010, 06:28 PM
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Someone enlighten me here: are claiming horses typically insured? And, if so, is it for a preset level or does it fluctuate depending on the last race level?
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Old 08-10-2010, 06:31 PM
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Someone enlighten me here: are claiming horses typically insured? And, if so, is it for a preset level or does it fluctuate depending on the last race level?
No, although some tracks will insure a 'claim' on a horse that breaks down. In Illinois you might get half your money back.
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Old 08-10-2010, 06:58 PM
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Someone enlighten me here: are claiming horses typically insured? And, if so, is it for a preset level or does it fluctuate depending on the last race level?
The claiming price is the max they will get if the horse is insured regardless of what the horse was covered for.
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Old 08-11-2010, 11:01 AM
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Someone enlighten me here: are claiming horses typically insured? And, if so, is it for a preset level or does it fluctuate depending on the last race level?
yes.. if a horse drops into a 5k claimer, it can only be insured for 5k. their values are always fluctuating.

edit: probably not "typically" insured, though we do have a lot of claimers we write.
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:06 AM
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He really entered Tuscan Evening (having a heart attack) into this discussion? WTF ...
Tuscan Evening was 0-for-11 in Europe - and was beaten 20+ lengths in a maiden race at Cork in Ireland in her final Euro start.

Obviously our medication had moved her way up.
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Old 08-11-2010, 03:21 PM
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Tuscan Evening was 0-for-11 in Europe - and was beaten 20+ lengths in a maiden race at Cork in Ireland in her final Euro start.

Obviously our medication had moved her way up.
Lasix will do that for some horses.
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:10 PM
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Tuscan Evening was 0-for-11 in Europe - and was beaten 20+ lengths in a maiden race at Cork in Ireland in her final Euro start.

Obviously our medication had moved her way up.
Didn't she lose a Group 1 (the Irish 1000 Guineas) by less than a length?
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:44 PM
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Doug O'Neil is the true definition of "a wolf in sheep's clothes".
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Old 08-12-2010, 10:30 AM
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Whatever, I'm sure Tuscan Evening just needed some new shoes and a trip to the dentist.
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Old 08-13-2010, 12:59 AM
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Big Wig trained by Doug Oneil vanned off in Del Mar's 4th race today.
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Old 08-20-2010, 12:18 AM
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Doug O'Neil is the true definition of "a wolf in sheep's clothes".
The thing is, he really is a nice guy, super friendly to anyone visiting his barn (I have a friend who owns a horse with him). I can see why he's able to get owners, he has a well run barn and he's amazingly personable. Guys like him will always do well in this business... Unless a scandal brings him down and it appears this one hasn't brought Doug down.
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:39 AM
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The thing is, he really is a nice guy, super friendly to anyone visiting his barn (I have a friend who owns a horse with him). I can see why he's able to get owners, he has a well run barn and he's amazingly personable. Guys like him will always do well in this business... Unless a scandal brings him down and it appears this one hasn't brought Doug down.
That is what I meant by a "wolf in sheep's clothes". He comes across as a really nice guy.

With regard to your assessment that his barn is well run, I have always heard just the opposite. But he is obviously doing something right. He's winning a lot of races.
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Old 08-12-2010, 10:20 AM
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Didn't she lose a Group 1 (the Irish 1000 Guineas) by less than a length?
I think she had a good race or two at like 66/1 or a 100/1 against stakes company on her form - but also a lot of terrible races - some against maidens.

She looked like the kind of horse who showed ability here and there - but other times would get beat 20 lengths against maidens.

That's why I say our medication probably moved her up. You go 0-for-11 in Europe with several terrible races - including a 20 length thumping against Irish maidens at Cork in your final Euro start .. then you come here, romp in your US debut - and go like 6 for 6 this year - with 6 graded stakes wins.
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Old 08-13-2010, 02:19 PM
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Didn't she lose a Group 1 (the Irish 1000 Guineas) by less than a length?
Yes, she was beaten by just a head, but was disqualified and placed 4th. As a 2yo, she had run 2nd in the G3 Anglesey S and 3rd (by 1.5 l) in the G2 Debutante S. Yet she couldn't win in a several tries in maiden company.
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:50 PM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...emy&id=5464169

Plonk's calling BS. I forgot about the Derby drama with Square Eddie.
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:51 PM
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I think O'Neill is intentionally killing these horses so he can eat them.
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Old 08-10-2010, 05:31 PM
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O'Neil is an a-hole. I'm sure there are plenty of people waiting to hand him an anvil on his way down.
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