SHOCKING news about Winslow Homer

[reese]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You only notice all the UBS horses that get hurt because he sires A LOT of very decent or better horses with very good speed.

Unbridled Danger is by UBS - and he's made 85 starts in his career - 16 so far this year and 24 last year.

He's tough as nails.

People only notice the huge list of unsound UBS's because he actually sires a lot of noticeable horses.

You are 100% correct.

Some idiot on a racing forum years ago decided that UBS were "fragile" and were "ruining the breed". That fallacious opinion has taken on a life of it's own repeated here.

Sure...the people who pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for UBS's progeny are all" stupid" and just like to "waste money on fragile UBS racers".

UBS sires alot of fast, very good racers. Injuries are an occupational hazard for ALL thoroughbred race horses...UBS is no more "fragile" than any top sire who has been breeding for years.

I's like someone to present a valid statistic that proves UBS sires more fragile horses than other sires vis a vis his number of foals who raced and "broke down" vs other sires with comparable time breeding w/ same amount progeny who race.

That doesn't exist. All internet bs.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by reese

You are 100% correct.

Some idiot on a racing forum years ago decided that UBS were "fragile" and were "ruining the breed". That fallacious opinion has taken on a life of it's own repeated here.

Sure...the people who pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for UBS's progeny are all" stupid" and just like to "waste money on fragile UBS racers".

UBS sires alot of fast, very good racers. Injuries are an occupational hazard for ALL thoroughbred race horses...UBS is no more "fragile" than any top sire who has been breeding for years.

I's like someone to present a valid statistic that proves UBS sires more fragile horses than other sires vis a vis his number of foals who raced and "broke down" vs other sires with comparable time breeding w/ same amount progeny who race.

That doesn't exist. All internet bs.

Whatever you say

[reese]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Whatever you say

DrugsS is somewhat of an "expert" on the topic of race horses racing...so I agree with him...

You add nothing to the thread except what you think is a "clever" comment.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by reese

DrugsS is somewhat of an "expert" on the topic of race horses racing...so I agree with him...

You add nothing to the thread except what you think is a "clever" comment.

LOL, drugs is entitled to his opinion. I have watched enough horses over the past 15 years to know what I see in US progeny.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by reese

You are 100% correct.

Some idiot on a racing forum years ago decided that UBS were "fragile" and were "ruining the breed". That fallacious opinion has taken on a life of it's own repeated here.

Sure...the people who pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for UBS's progeny are all" stupid" and just like to "waste money on fragile UBS racers".

UBS sires alot of fast, very good racers. Injuries are an occupational hazard for ALL thoroughbred race horses...UBS is no more "fragile" than any top sire who has been breeding for years.

I's like someone to present a valid statistic that proves UBS sires more fragile horses than other sires vis a vis his number of foals who raced and "broke down" vs other sires with comparable time breeding w/ same amount progeny who race.

That doesn't exist. All internet bs.

Agree with most of this BUT a lot of Graded UBS's seem to have short careers.. When you can name 2dz that won graded races and then got injured vs. a few that continued to have careers it does suggest he isnt the backbone of the breed. No doubting he can sire a fast horse on turf or dirt!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Agree with most of this BUT a lot of Graded UBS's seem to have short careers.. When you can name 2dz that won graded races and then got injured vs. a few that continued to have careers it does suggest he isnt the backbone of the breed. No doubting he can sire a fast horse on turf or dirt!

It makes you wonder which sire out there now is the backbone of the breed?

Unusual Heat was a drop down claimer who had stakes level ability - but a lot of issues .. and he's like the one a lot of people are starting to consider for the best blending of decent quality and decent durability in his offspring.

A lot of his offspring happened to have been trained by a guy who runs his horses like crazy and is more a fan of Lukas like spacing between starts than say the Frankel like spacing that has taken over. Also - a lot of his offspring are in California .. and it's not hard finding races for them because most handle both turf and syn very well and many are Cal breds which leave them with options in both Cal bred and open races. Many also handle any distance from 6f to 10f

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Agree with most of this BUT a lot of Graded UBS's seem to have short careers.. When you can name 2dz that won graded races and then got injured vs. a few that continued to have careers it does suggest he isnt the backbone of the breed. No doubting he can sire a fast horse on turf or dirt!

a lot of Graded stakes horses in general have very short careers.