Chief Douche Bag

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Honu

Bullpucky!!!! He was hand fed and gifted all the paths to higher education and a job in politics if he wasnt then you tell me how the poor little guy from Hawaii with no Daddy has gotten where he has. He is a made man just like others before him its just that he wasnt made by family money he was made by wealthy benafactors who have seasoned him to fullfill their agenda.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[herkhorse]

Coach is owning this thread, and that's pretty impressive considering he bashes Obama on a regular basis. I'd give him 10 pies.

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Coach is owning this thread, and that's pretty impressive considering he bashes Obama on a regular basis. I'd give him 10 pies.

And it's ridiculous that I have to defend him against Bush but quite frankly I'm sick of the comparisons.

It's like this..

"Yo dawg, take this turd and Kiwi polish and see if you can make it sparkle in 18 months...if not, you're horrible and dumber than Bush."

No, just no.

[Danzig]

it's like choosing between turd sandwich and douche bag. obama no doubt is smarter.
neither one has managed to do much of anything good for the country, so what does it matter anyway?

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's like choosing between turd sandwich and douche bag. obama no doubt is smarter.
neither one has managed to do much of anything good for the country, so what does it matter anyway?

He still has time to make things better.

There aren't many scenarios where I see him making a bigger mistake than Iraq. Only a daddy's boy like Bush would f.uck up that bad.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

He still has time to make things better.

There aren't many scenarios where I see him making a bigger mistake than Iraq. Only a daddy's boy like Bush would f.uck up that bad.

Blame Bush for Iraq all you want , he never would have gone if the US Senate did not give him a overwhelming majority vote

The current Vice President and Secretary of State both agreed with Dubya and the current in fact in her speech said it was the right thing to do for the commander in chief and that she knew what Bush was going through becuase she hap spent 8 yrs on the other side of Penn ave and sometimes you have to make decisions without all of the facts and information available.

I wonder how many of you would have voted agaisnt the 1st gulf war back Bush Sr 's term...........well i know one senator who did ...........it's the current VP

You can't have it both ways , Joe Biden blew the 2 biggest votes in his senate history , yet Obama is smart for picking Uncle Joe as VP with his stellar record

Picking Biden who is a supposed expert and got both Iraq WAR votes wrong , makes Obama pretty smart hey?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Blame Bush for Iraq all you want , he never would have gone if the US Senate did not give him a overwhelming majority vote

The current Vice President and Secretary of State both agreed with Dubya and the current in fact in her speech said it was the right thing to do for the commander in chief and that she knew what Bush was going through becuase she hap spent 8 yrs on the other side of Penn ave and sometimes you have to make decisions without all of the facts and information available.

I wonder how many of you would have voted agaisnt the 1st gulf war back Bush Sr 's term...........well i know one senator who did ...........it's the current VP

You can't have it both ways , Joe Biden blew the 2 biggest votes in his senate history , yet Obama is smart for picking Uncle Joe as VP with his stellar record

Picking Biden who is a supposed expert and got both Iraq WAR votes wrong , makes Obama pretty smart hey?

you mentioned gulf one....no one was against it. iraq brought that on themself when they invaded kuwait. that was probably the highest point for the u.s. in years-that coalition was quite an achievement. you might want to go back to all that happened during that time, and see the reaction when bush sr suggested taking down hussein then. and why we didn't invade iraq then. what changed in the years since then, i don't know (nothing did)? bush jr ignored everything in his rush to connect iraq to 9/11, or to something, and invade. it was an astronomical blunder. the reason the senate bit is that bush and his minions sold everyone hook, line and sinker on why to invade. it was a huge lie. we elect these people to make crucial decisions. they may not always be the most popular decision. but they should be the right one.
question: when in history has a president of this country asked for a war vote and not gotten it?

before you go to war, you're supposed to make sure that it's a righteous war, also that it's a winnable war, and that it will leave you in a better position than you were before. can you say any of those fit iraq or afganistan?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's like choosing between turd sandwich and douche bag. obama no doubt is smarter.
neither one has managed to do much of anything good for the country, so what does it matter anyway?

Well that's a different conversation. People are trying to conflate what they think about his policies and leadership with how smart he is, which is why every time someone in here earlier said "well, I'm not so sure he's smarter," they would back it up with "well, I'm not better off than I was 19 months ago" and "OIL SPILL!"

Neither of which have anything whatsoever to do with whether he's smart of not, which is completely why Coach is owning this thread, because he's apparently the only one who can keep the conversation straight.

Really though, if there's a soul out there who legitimately thinks that there is even the slightest chance that Dubya is smarter/more intelligent than Obama, they should get their head checked. Policies are one thing to disagree with, but the actual intelligence conversation should be pretty one and done.

And his leadership has been pisspoor since about 3 weeks into office, so I'm essentially sick of him too at this point.

I am extremely disappointed with his foreign policy. I was naively hoping he would bring our troops home and let Iraq and Afghanistan eat cake.

Americans can be conditioned to embrace peace. Shocking, I know.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I am extremely disappointed with his foreign policy. I was naively hoping he would bring our troops home and let Iraq and Afghanistan eat cake.

Americans can be conditioned to embrace peace. Shocking, I know.

I'm extremely disappointed in quite a bit, the least of which is what you're talking about. If he's going to compromise his chances of getting re-elected, I wish he'd at least have gotten a healthcare bill with some teeth passed, I hate the wars which up to this point have been no different than his predecessor, just today he moved to expand the government's ability to willy-nilly get information on people with nothing more than the stroke of a pen, and he's languishing behind on very simple campaign promises that I care about very much.

Basically, he sucks, but he's still not the anti-Christ, and he's still at least marginally better than what came before him.

As I mentioned somewhere (not sure if it was here), after the Shirley Sherrod clowncar extravaganza, he should be happy the election is not being held today -- because I'd go vote for local politicians and leave the President spot blank. I have no desire at all to go vote for someone who is only a sliver better than any generic Republican counterpart. If I wanted someone who was going to do all the things I didn't want them to do, I'd have voted for McCain in the first place.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well that's a different conversation. People are trying to conflate what they think about his policies and leadership with how smart he is, which is why every time someone in here earlier said "well, I'm not so sure he's smarter," they would back it up with "well, I'm not better off than I was 19 months ago" and "OIL SPILL!"

Neither of which have anything whatsoever to do with whether he's smart of not, which is completely why Coach is owning this thread, because he's apparently the only one who can keep the conversation straight.

Really though, if there's a soul out there who legitimately thinks that there is even the slightest chance that Dubya is smarter/more intelligent than Obama, they should get their head checked. Policies are one thing to disagree with, but the actual intelligence conversation should be pretty one and done.

And his leadership has been pisspoor since about 3 weeks into office, so I'm essentially sick of him too at this point.

If I'm making a bet on who has a higher IQ, I'll take Obama no doubt.

They still both suck as presidents, Obama to me is like G.W. Bush II, still as much in love with spending as the last guy, and both have no clue about what the fucl< they are doing.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh I dont, well go see what kind of 411 you get on his records from Columbia he was a B plus student. Beleive me I do tend to research things a little bit before I post here esp about the POTUS.
A private school in Hawaii is like going to a good school in Iowa, they arent exactly known for their quality of education publicly or privately. He may have not lived like a Kennedy but he was molded like one later in life. So you tell me how a kid with no Daddy and no money and no real connections gets as far as he has. He was in school and then he was in politics and you dont think anyone helped him along the way? Can I get a hiit of some of your cush?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Honu

Oh I dont, well go see what kind of 411 you get on his records from Columbia he was a B plus student. Beleive me I do tend to research things a little bit before I post here esp about the POTUS.
A private school in Hawaii is like going to a good school in Iowa, they arent exactly known for their quality of education publicly or privately. He may have not lived like a Kennedy but he was molded like one later in life. So you tell me how a kid with no Daddy and no money and no real connections gets as far as he has. He was in school and then he was in politics and you dont think anyone helped him along the way? Can I get a hiit of some of your cush?

Totally

[notyep59]

could you folks with all your making sense, having your facts straight, using complete sentences with all the words included and being semi-respectful to each other please let nascar back in here for those of us that are waiting to hear what he has to say. I just pray he doesn't have me on his "ignore" list so he can see that I, at least, like reading his comments. As long as he's around, I won't be the stupiderest one in the room.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by notyep59

could you folks with all your making sense, having your facts straight, using complete sentences with all the words included and being semi-respectful to each other please let nascar back in here for those of us that are waiting to hear what he has to say. I just pray he doesn't have me on his "ignore" list so he can see that I, at least, like reading his comments. As long as he's around, I won't be the stupiderest one in the room.

I would never put you on the ignore list.