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07-13-2010, 10:39 AM
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07-13-2010, 11:03 AM
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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07-13-2010, 11:06 AM
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did i like everything , of course not , but , i look at the total package and it helped not only the yankees but baseball as well let's wait till bigs gets on here , he as well as anyone would probably know about all the millions that got into Tampa over the last 30 yrs that nobody ever hears about
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07-13-2010, 11:21 AM
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Peace out as.shole
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07-16-2010, 07:00 PM
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07-13-2010, 06:39 PM
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A partial list off the top of my head: Upon reading about two firefighters and a police officer dying in the line of duty in the '80s, he formed The Gold Shield Foundation which provides a college education to the spouses and children of fallen officers and firefighters. The Foundation has been a great success and has even spread to the surrounding counties. Tragically, we just lost two police officers in Tampa and the 5 kids left behind will have their educations taken care of when they are ready for college. A while back, the city of Tampa announced that they didn't have the money to buy badly needed new police cars. George stepped up and bought them. They were always easy to spot because they had Yankee logo stickers on them. He used to rent the Big Sombrero for a night every year and hold a high school football jamboree so the kids could have an opportunity to play in an NFL stadium. He would anonymously help people he saw on the local news if they had some sort of tragedy. He donated the money to build a trauma center at All Childrens Hospital. He built a branch of the Boys and Girls Clubs and continued to fund it with charity events. One day, he walked into his favorite breakfast restaurant and announced that he was going to pay to take all the employees to New York for a weekend to see a Broadway play and Yankees game. When a little league concession stand burned down, he immediately paid for a new one. I can go on and on. These are only some of the things he did that were publicized, I'm sure there are many more that we will never know about.
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07-13-2010, 08:33 PM
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as i said in my inital post the good far outweighed the bad and those in the tampa area know best
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07-13-2010, 10:26 PM
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07-13-2010, 11:21 AM
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during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform
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07-13-2010, 11:45 AM
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07-13-2010, 10:54 PM
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Sports such as baseball or horse racing for that matter simply aren't made for tv. Football and basketball with their pace and natural stoppages are more easily staged and better to keep interest. Tv is the answer there. There are lots of answers to the decline of baseball but listing George as a primary reason is fallacious.
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07-14-2010, 06:22 AM
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07-14-2010, 10:25 AM
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Sports TV went through a "revolution" if you will in the 70's. For the first time, viewers actually had choices as to what they could watch in terms of sports. First exposure for children during that generation to the sport was based on TV...not the ballpark for the first time. Is George to blame for the deterioration of the game of baseball at the little league level as well? Kids don't play baseball as much anymore because it is a time suck and many find it boring and the fact is that its not nearly as exciting as it was in another era when sports and entertainment options were limited. I have an 8 year old son. He played baseball for the first time this year. Loved it. Nice natural swing. We took him to see Strasburg on friday. He was enthralled as he was last month watching the Orioles beat up on the yanks. Watching it on TV? Forget it. I can get him to watch Arod or jeter or Adam Dunn but beyond that, he won't watch. It bores him to tears. Is George to blame for that? He will play Major league baseball "the show" for hours on end though. I like baseball. I grew up thinking George Brett was the greatest and hottest thing ever and being a yanks fan when my grandpa was around. But does it really compare to football or basketball as a tv event? Come on. Basketball was saved by Bird and magic but taken to the next level with MJ. What else happened during that period of time from 1981 on? Again, the masses had choices for the first time. You could now choose to see almost every single game Dominique Wilkins played from the time he left Georgia on while watching TBS. You could watch Jordan almost every night on WGN. Now, you weren't forced to watch baseball anymore. You had 200 other channels to watch. Kids had video games like atari now. Other youth leagues sprang up into prominence. Again, choices. Baseball dominated during a time when entertainment choices were much more limited especially on TV. Of course, it isnt as simple as just TV and there are several other factors involved with baseball's decline as "americas game". But if you had to put the primary key, you would have to say that the entertainment product simply doesnt match up.
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07-14-2010, 09:12 AM
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And that would explain why absolutely nobody cares about the NBA anymore.
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07-14-2010, 09:53 AM
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Only one team can win the championship every year and the problem with baseball is that many of the teams arent even making the playoffs. KC-24 years Expos/Nats-28 years Orioles-12 years Toronto-16 years texas-10 years Pirates-17 years Reds -14 years There are several other teams with recent appearances that were rarities including the Astros, Mariners, Rays, Indians, brewers, padres, cubs. Now no doubt some of this is due to mismanagement/owners happy to squeeze out a profit but it is hard to make a case to become a fan of one of these teams when we all know that they realistically have no chance of winning. Even teams like minnesota and Tampa that have great baseball people are seemingly hitting their heads on the glass ceiling because of strict budgets that they must adhere to. The longest drought in the NFL is Buffalo and Detroit with 10 years. True a greater proportion of teams make the playoffs but teams in small markets like Indy and Green Bay are able to excel on the field due to peoper management, player selection and coaching. This isn't so in baseball. And I am not saying that George was intending on creating this situation. But as the primary owner who lavished free agents with over the top contracts, he helped create the system that led to 2 work stoppages and an unequitable salary heiracrcy that continues to this day. As I said in one of the first posts, it eventually may have played out like this anyway. And in the 2nd strike George was willing to accept a salary cap system despite it being a negative for the Yankees. There are a lot of factors why baseball has dropped in popularity. The length of the games is a huge factor in a society that has been increasingly speeding up life. The 2 strikes were way more harmful to baseball than the one mid season strike was to football. The rise of sports gambling and the fact that baseball is not an easy game to bet on especially versus football. But the fact that a great many baseball games are played against teams with few stars or recognizable names because of the inequity of revenues/payrolls surely plays a role as well.
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07-14-2010, 10:29 AM
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Isnt that why we want a triple crown winner?
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07-13-2010, 11:46 AM
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Also, the Twins won twice, not once.
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07-13-2010, 11:30 AM
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Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse. What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.
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07-13-2010, 11:37 AM
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you guys gotta be kidding with this small market stuff , during george's tenure , small market teams won in the 70's 80' s 90's and 00's take the orioles for example , is it george's fault that the have fallen into the abyss ...... or is it the lack of commitment from baltimore's ownership to spending $$$ to get better
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