Gio Ponti or Lookin At Lucky in the Hall of Fame?

randallscott35 · #1 07-12-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Did Curlin do enough for you?

Yes. Older seasons matter. And winning the BC Classic on dirt against older matters. Last I looked, show me Point Given's win against older? Or should Landaluce be in the Hall...I mean she was 5 for 5.

randallscott35 · #2 07-12-2010, 08:23 PM

And you act as if you should give bonus points to the horse for being a cripple, aka beating Burning Roma by a neck at Monmouth and winning another race with a bar shoe. I like my horses sound. They don't get bonus points for winning hurt. That;s harness racing.

randallscott35 · #3 07-12-2010, 08:28 PM

Required reading Doug. Put down your Hustler.
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ight=hall+fame

The Indomitable DrugS · #4 07-12-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Required reading Doug. Put down your Hustler.
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ight=hall+fame

What's laughable is that people think Gio Ponti and Lookin At Lucky have a great shot of getting in.

What's laughable is that so many jockeys and trainers are in .. there should be about five or six of each per century.

You can't name a single horse in the last 15 years who was unquestionably better than Point Given as a 3-year-old .... I can name about 50 3yo's over that span who were much better than Lookin At Lucky.

randallscott35 · #5 07-12-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What's laughable is that people think Gio Ponti and Lookin At Lucky have a great shot of getting in.

What's laughable is that so many jockeys and trainers are in .. there should be about five or six of each per century.

You can't name a single horse in the last 15 years who was unquestionably better than Point Given as a 3-year-old .... I can name about 50 3yo's over that span who were much better than Lookin At Lucky.

So from some dumb link about Lookin At lucky you have hypothesized that lots of people thinks he belongs? There are idiots all over it doesn't make them right. I'm glad you give credence to Bar shoes. Still waiting for Leroidesanimaux or whatever it is getting in after his gutty mile effort while wearing a crutch.

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 07-12-2010, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Still waiting for Leroidesanimaux or whatever it is getting in after his gutty mile

He was one hell of a turf horse.

Obviously he shouldn't come close because he's a turf horse.

It took all the way until 2008 for Manila to get in. Gio Ponti is not exactly Manila.

randallscott35 · #7 07-12-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He was one hell of a turf horse.

Obviously he shouldn't come close because he's a turf horse.

It took all the way until 2008 for Manila to get in. Gio Ponti is not exactly Manila.

Yup and he doesn't belong either.

The Indomitable DrugS · #8 07-12-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes. Older seasons matter. And winning the BC Classic on dirt against older matters. Last I looked, show me Point Given's win against older? Or should Landaluce be in the Hall...I mean she was 5 for 5.

Curlin's BC Classic win was like a glorified 3yo race anyway. Who were the older horses in that race? Lawyer Ron (who didn't run one step) George Washington (who should have stayed retired and broke down) Awesome Gem (Hey - he ran 3rd) Diamond Stripes

Corinthian won the Dirt Mile the day before with a 119 Beyer in blowout fashion for his final lifetime race ... that was the first year of the watered down Breeders Cup Program.

I'm not saying Curlin won't get in or isn't deserving ... but Point Given had a better 2yo season and better 3yo season ... it's not Curlin's 4yo season was utterly spectacular either. After retirements by Hard Spun, Any Given Saturday, Corinthian, and Street Sense .. who was left besides him?