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[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Do they though? If Shirreffs can call Rail Trip "the highest mountain" with a straight face, I doubt they're being honest with themselves about the slugs she's beating.

Exactly right, not like Z has turned in performances equal to the super horse QR. I mean, QR has had a year so far that rivals that of any of the alltime greats.

Let's review the 3 races:

1) 1/3/10 GP --- Holds off the superstar You and I Forever to win the Hal's Hope, going, well, 8F.

2) 2/6/10 GP (yet again ) --- Runs away from the likes of Dry Martini and Delightful Kiss --- WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW -- to win the Don going 9F

3) 5/31/10 BEL 8F (yet again) --- superior performance here --- not only does he REPEL the PREMATURE MOVE of the SPRINTER Warrior's Reward but he actually has enough to easily hold off that certain Hall of Famer Musket Man (with the Dominguez last run). Moreover, Tizway run 3rd. wow, again

Throw in the 2 performances last year going 10F against Summer Bird, where he mailed it in and his REFUSAL at the CLASSIC and you have a cinch Horse of the Year.

Now, notice, that DM, DK, WR, MM do, in fact, qualify as 'alltime greats'.

It'll be interesting come CLASSIC time at CD.

So it's the "We suck less" argument.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Exactly right, not like Z has turned in performances equal to the super horse QR. I mean, QR has had a year so far that rivals that of any of the alltime greats.

Let's review the 3 races:

1) 1/3/10 GP --- Holds off the superstar You and I Forever to win the Hal's Hope, going, well, 8F.

2) 2/6/10 GP (yet again ) --- Runs away from the likes of Dry Martini and Delightful Kiss --- WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW -- to win the Don going 9F

3) 5/31/10 BEL 8F (yet again) --- superior performance here --- not only does he REPEL the PREMATURE MOVE of the SPRINTER Warrior's Reward but he actually has enough to easily hold off that certain Hall of Famer Musket Man (with the Dominguez last run). Moreover, Tizway run 3rd. wow, again

Throw in the 2 performances last year going 10F against Summer Bird, where he mailed it in and his REFUSAL at the CLASSIC and you have a cinch Horse of the Year.

Now, notice, that DM, DK, WR, MM do, in fact, qualify as 'alltime greats'.

It'll be interesting come CLASSIC time at CD.

97 percent of this post requires some kind of Fat Man glossary. Anybody got one?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Throw in the 2 performances last year going 10F against Summer Bird, where he mailed it in and his REFUSAL at the CLASSIC and you have a cinch Horse of the Year.

What does what QR did last year have to do with his races this year?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What does what QR did last year have to do with his races this year?

You must be new here.

Don't try logic with The Fat Man. He'll just have some veins pop in his head while he throws tomatoes at his computer screen, yelling what a retarded jockey you are, who can't even make it at a NYRA track, because poly is clearly better than anything NYRA has.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What does what QR did last year have to do with his races this year?

There are a handful here who can't comprehend the constant of change.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

There are a handful here who can't comprehend the constant of change.

This is a silly argument, if you are betting real money and you are looking at the past performances, you mean to tell me it isn't useful to look at what a horse has done prior to 2010? You are correct, some cannot comprehend the constant of logic.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by CSC

This is a silly argument, if you are betting real money and you are looking at the past performances, you mean to tell me it isn't useful to look at what a horse has done prior to 2010? You are correct, some cannot comprehend the constant of logic.

The horse showed last year it couldn't get 10F (on TWO occasions). This year the horse has been limited to 2 8F races and a 9F race on the speed favoring GP oval. And has yet to face a REAL horse. YET, the suggestion that last year's 10F races are relevant gets his supporters out in force. Funny how simple things seem to escape them. It'll be interesting to see how eager they all are to bet their money on him going 10F in the Classic, where he just might face some competition. Of course, this assumes he shows up for it. Not a done deal, at all. Last I heard the race was at CD not GP.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The horse showed last year it couldn't get 10F (on TWO occasions). This year the horse has been limited to 2 8F races and a 9F race on the speed favoring GP oval. And has yet to face a REAL horse. YET, the suggestion that last year's 10F races are relevant gets his supporters out in force. Funny how simple things seem to escape them. It'll be interesting to see how eager they all are to bet their money on him going 10F in the Classic, where he just might face some competition. Of course, this assumes he shows up for it. Not a done deal, at all. Last I heard the race was at CD not GP.

Couldn't get 10f? One was off a layoff with nothing but a 6.5f prep and he was on a very fast pace and weakened very late, the other he ran very well to narrowly lose to the Belmont winner. That means he can't "get" 10f?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

This is a silly argument, if you are betting real money and you are looking at the past performances, you mean to tell me it isn't useful to look at what a horse has done prior to 2010? You are correct, some cannot comprehend the constant of logic.

No one is talking about though. Of course when betting you would do that. But The Closeted Man was talking about what QR had done this year, then jumped to last year.

One has nothing to do with the other.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

No one is talking about though. Of course when betting you would do that. But The Closeted Man was talking about what QR had done this year, then jumped to last year.

One has nothing to do with the other.

I understand what you are saying, however as horseplayers we have to use all of the information we have available to make that call. I am not convinced QR will be better at 1 1/4 than he is at 1 mile from what I have seen of him. I'm not even sure he will offer any value if he is classic bound. To me he represents a great opportunity as a bet against if he continues to win and lines up as the favorite in the Classic.

[slotdirt]

Understood. My point was that lots of horses improve from three to four, and just because a horse failed going 10 panels at three doesn't mean he/she can't win going the same distance a year later.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

I understand what you are saying, however as horseplayers we have to use all of the information we have available to make that call. I am not convinced QR will be better at 1 1/4 than he is at 1 mile from what I have seen of him. I'm not even sure he will offer any value if he is classic bound. To me he represents a great opportunity as a bet against if he continues to win and lines up as the favorite in the Classic.

Just like the_manic_depressive_man, you're changing the subject. The discussion was about 2010 HOY and where they stand at this point. What QR did last year has absolutely nothing to do with that.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

I understand what you are saying, however as horseplayers we have to use all of the information we have available to make that call. I am not convinced QR will be better at 1 1/4 than he is at 1 mile from what I have seen of him. I'm not even sure he will offer any value if he is classic bound. To me he represents a great opportunity as a bet against if he continues to win and lines up as the favorite in the Classic.

No I don't think you do understand what I'm saying. The Closeted Man wasn't talking about betting. No one was. He was going off on another one of his rants and what QR did last year had nothing to do with his performances last year.

That's something you Zenyattatards can't seem to grasp. What happened last year was last year.

Sure, I prefer betting discussions but not every discussion is about betting. TCM's post definitely wasn't.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What does what QR did last year have to do with his races this year?

You do realize you're talking to Mr. 'great horses don't lose to Lorenzonis' ?

Someone who thinks Easy Goer couldn't be great because he lost a 2yo debut sprint.

[slotdirt]

I'd love to see a list of recent horses who couldn't win going 10f as 3YO's that run away going classic distances as older horses. I would think that list would be much longer than one would think.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'd love to see a list of recent horses who couldn't win going 10f as 3YO's that run away going classic distances as older horses. I would think that list would be much longer than one would think.

There are what, 3 races for 3yos going 10f or more that matter? So it would make sense the winner's of those races aren't going to win all the 10f and more races when older.