Rachel to Monmouth on July 24...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No, horses did work between races then as well. I stand by my reasoning that he hates to lose more than he likes to win. Don't forget that she was odds on in all those tough races last year. And the Woodward was an awful weak edition last year. He is simply looking to run a layup drill a la Zenyatta though he is much more demanding that the Z crew. At least they recognize the competition is terrible and they dont need to resort to having races created for them.

Do they though? If Shirreffs can call Rail Trip "the highest mountain" with a straight face, I doubt they're being honest with themselves about the slugs she's beating.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Do they though? If Shirreffs can call Rail Trip "the highest mountain" with a straight face, I doubt they're being honest with themselves about the slugs she's beating.

Aint no mountain higher.........on polytrack

[Smooth Operator]

If there is a God, QR will get beat next out…

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

If there is a God, QR will get beat next out…

There isn't one.

He might anyways.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

There isn't one.

He might anyways.

Thought you were gunna kill yourself?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Thought you were gunna kill yourself?

I was on the verge, but I heard a voice telling me that Zenyatta was going to take a dump last night, so I decided I had something to live for. I found no reports of it however on ESPN, so now I'm kinda bummed.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I was on the verge, but I heard a voice telling me that Zenyatta was going to take a dump last night, so I decided I had something to live for. I found no reports of it however on ESPN, so now I'm kinda bummed.

Damn … was just about to start the 'Indian Charlie has died' thread

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by HomerS

if there is a god Rachel will trample Ryan Seacrest in the stretch

......yeah baby.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by HomerS

if there is a god Rachel will trample Ryan Seacrest in the stretch

Rachel meet Snookie, Snookie meet Rachel:

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Do they though? If Shirreffs can call Rail Trip "the highest mountain" with a straight face, I doubt they're being honest with themselves about the slugs she's beating.

Exactly right, not like Z has turned in performances equal to the super horse QR. I mean, QR has had a year so far that rivals that of any of the alltime greats.

Let's review the 3 races:

1) 1/3/10 GP --- Holds off the superstar You and I Forever to win the Hal's Hope, going, well, 8F.

2) 2/6/10 GP (yet again ) --- Runs away from the likes of Dry Martini and Delightful Kiss --- WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW -- to win the Don going 9F

3) 5/31/10 BEL 8F (yet again) --- superior performance here --- not only does he REPEL the PREMATURE MOVE of the SPRINTER Warrior's Reward but he actually has enough to easily hold off that certain Hall of Famer Musket Man (with the Dominguez last run). Moreover, Tizway run 3rd. wow, again

Throw in the 2 performances last year going 10F against Summer Bird, where he mailed it in and his REFUSAL at the CLASSIC and you have a cinch Horse of the Year.

Now, notice, that DM, DK, WR, MM do, in fact, qualify as 'alltime greats'.

It'll be interesting come CLASSIC time at CD.

So it's the "We suck less" argument.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Exactly right, not like Z has turned in performances equal to the super horse QR. I mean, QR has had a year so far that rivals that of any of the alltime greats.

Let's review the 3 races:

1) 1/3/10 GP --- Holds off the superstar You and I Forever to win the Hal's Hope, going, well, 8F.

2) 2/6/10 GP (yet again ) --- Runs away from the likes of Dry Martini and Delightful Kiss --- WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW -- to win the Don going 9F

3) 5/31/10 BEL 8F (yet again) --- superior performance here --- not only does he REPEL the PREMATURE MOVE of the SPRINTER Warrior's Reward but he actually has enough to easily hold off that certain Hall of Famer Musket Man (with the Dominguez last run). Moreover, Tizway run 3rd. wow, again

Throw in the 2 performances last year going 10F against Summer Bird, where he mailed it in and his REFUSAL at the CLASSIC and you have a cinch Horse of the Year.

Now, notice, that DM, DK, WR, MM do, in fact, qualify as 'alltime greats'.

It'll be interesting come CLASSIC time at CD.

97 percent of this post requires some kind of Fat Man glossary. Anybody got one?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Throw in the 2 performances last year going 10F against Summer Bird, where he mailed it in and his REFUSAL at the CLASSIC and you have a cinch Horse of the Year.

What does what QR did last year have to do with his races this year?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What does what QR did last year have to do with his races this year?

You must be new here.

Don't try logic with The Fat Man. He'll just have some veins pop in his head while he throws tomatoes at his computer screen, yelling what a retarded jockey you are, who can't even make it at a NYRA track, because poly is clearly better than anything NYRA has.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What does what QR did last year have to do with his races this year?

There are a handful here who can't comprehend the constant of change.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

There are a handful here who can't comprehend the constant of change.

This is a silly argument, if you are betting real money and you are looking at the past performances, you mean to tell me it isn't useful to look at what a horse has done prior to 2010? You are correct, some cannot comprehend the constant of logic.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by CSC

This is a silly argument, if you are betting real money and you are looking at the past performances, you mean to tell me it isn't useful to look at what a horse has done prior to 2010? You are correct, some cannot comprehend the constant of logic.

The horse showed last year it couldn't get 10F (on TWO occasions). This year the horse has been limited to 2 8F races and a 9F race on the speed favoring GP oval. And has yet to face a REAL horse. YET, the suggestion that last year's 10F races are relevant gets his supporters out in force. Funny how simple things seem to escape them. It'll be interesting to see how eager they all are to bet their money on him going 10F in the Classic, where he just might face some competition. Of course, this assumes he shows up for it. Not a done deal, at all. Last I heard the race was at CD not GP.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The horse showed last year it couldn't get 10F (on TWO occasions). This year the horse has been limited to 2 8F races and a 9F race on the speed favoring GP oval. And has yet to face a REAL horse. YET, the suggestion that last year's 10F races are relevant gets his supporters out in force. Funny how simple things seem to escape them. It'll be interesting to see how eager they all are to bet their money on him going 10F in the Classic, where he just might face some competition. Of course, this assumes he shows up for it. Not a done deal, at all. Last I heard the race was at CD not GP.

Couldn't get 10f? One was off a layoff with nothing but a 6.5f prep and he was on a very fast pace and weakened very late, the other he ran very well to narrowly lose to the Belmont winner. That means he can't "get" 10f?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

This is a silly argument, if you are betting real money and you are looking at the past performances, you mean to tell me it isn't useful to look at what a horse has done prior to 2010? You are correct, some cannot comprehend the constant of logic.

No one is talking about though. Of course when betting you would do that. But The Closeted Man was talking about what QR had done this year, then jumped to last year.

One has nothing to do with the other.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

No one is talking about though. Of course when betting you would do that. But The Closeted Man was talking about what QR had done this year, then jumped to last year.

One has nothing to do with the other.

I understand what you are saying, however as horseplayers we have to use all of the information we have available to make that call. I am not convinced QR will be better at 1 1/4 than he is at 1 mile from what I have seen of him. I'm not even sure he will offer any value if he is classic bound. To me he represents a great opportunity as a bet against if he continues to win and lines up as the favorite in the Classic.