When does the $1,000,000 a day start at MTH?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I will try to make it even more painful.

How come baseball players who bat .250 don't go 1-for-4 every single game?

Shouldn't a .334 hitter be on like an infinity game hitting streaks as long as he gets 3 at bats per game?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by philcski

It really does. The whole thing is LOL funny. They're running a really nice optional claimer worth $84,000 right now, they've averaged 9.7 runners per race today on a nondescript Friday, and the complaints are they're only paying the winner 50% instead of 60%, and so far the average per day purses aren't at $1,000,000. I guess you can't please everybody.

Wake me when the apologists are done.

[Revidere]

I think Zenyatta is better.

[NTamm1215]

I hope Monmouth's card for Saturday is a bit more "elite" than Friday's slate, which has one allowance race. The rest of it is Evangeline by the Shore.

NT

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I hope Monmouth's card for Saturday is a bit more "elite" than Friday's slate, which has one allowance race. The rest of it is Evangeline by the Shore.

NT

Evangeline is a nice betting track!! Good full fields and if you look good can find nice prices. One of my favorite betting tracks in fact it helped me bail out on derby day.

[alysheba4]

saturday i hit the elusive pick 5......for 150 bucks

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

saturday i hit the elusive pick 5......for 150 bucks

Me too. It's not a redboard when it pays so small. I was proud of myself for placing a wager that lasted two hours for a return of 2.7-1.

NT

[alysheba4]

yeah, that was a huge let down.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Me too. It's not a redboard when it pays so small. I was proud of myself for placing a wager that lasted two hours for a return of 2.7-1.

NT

Why such a hater Nick? Your anomosity towards everything Monmouth Park comes across loud and clear.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jms62

Why such a hater Nick? Your anomosity towards everything Monmouth Park comes across loud and clear.

Find every post I've made about Monmouth Park and post it here and we'll see.

What I've said about Monmouth is that I think the "Elite Summer Meet" is a one year thing, which is my opinion. I've also said that Jersey breds running for 80k is nauseating, which is my opinion. I've also said that Friday's card absolutely blows from a standpoint of quality horses participating. Considering the numerous statements made by people far and wide about Monmouth wrecking the Belmont and Saratoga meets, I disagreed then and I more than disagree now.

I enjoyed an afternoon at Monmouth the day before the Belmont and have always found it to be one of the best racetracks to visit in the entire country. If my opinions enumerated above constitute loud and clear animosity then I guess I'm just a disgruntled racing fan.

NT

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Good question. Shocked at all the emotion this simple question generated.

me and you both.
Just looking at the whole situation this way if you take the entire stakes book for the whole season the total amount of purses is around 12.5 million (give or take a little). THen take an average of 10 races a day (excluding Stakes) for a 50 day meet that means those races alone must average around 750k a day to reach the 50 million mark.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I think the slogan for a lot of bad tracks should be "at least we're not Presque Isle"

This from a general news opinion writer in todays paper ...

Unbelievably, two $75,000 stakes races last Friday went off with just five horses in one field, and four in the other. Veteran racing fan Leo Kwiatkowski shook his head in disbelief as he examined the terrible betting odds in the chronically short fields, especially for the most lucrative races.

It's frustrating, but nothing compared to the lack of tables and chairs for fans, who apparently must bring their own chairs to avoid seeking out concrete steps or construction debris to lean on. One woman from Corry said she would gladly offer to pick up about 20 umbrella tables at Walmart to make the fan experience more tolerable.

Let's face it. For a facility that makes more than $1.5 million in clear profit on slot machines every week and is about to launch table games amid a $25 million expansion, coughing up a few tables for racing fans doesn't seem to be asking a whole lot.

The casino's treatment of racing fans should embarrass them. Obviously, it doesn't

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think the slogan for a lot of bad tracks should be "at least we're not Presque Isle"

This from a general news opinion writer in todays paper ...

As a horse player, someone whose primary focus is on BETTING, my only complaint with PID is that I really don't know what to do with NESS. At least at TAM, when his horses get hit, they typically win. Doesn't work this way at PID, which really complicates things. Something similar is happening at WO. Last year, when the juicer Jordan's horses got hit they almost always won. This year, they get hit and rather than keep on going in the stretch quite a few just collapse (like 'normal' horses would).

[robfla]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I hope Monmouth's card for Saturday is a bit more "elite" than Friday's slate, which has one allowance race. The rest of it is Evangeline by the Shore.

NT

I would think UN Day will be a little more "elite"...It looks like there is about 1.6 MILLION up for grabs on Saturday alone.( ~1MM in the two stakes ).

[blackthroatedwind]

It's interesting to merge this discussion with the one also taking place about Arlington. According to that conversation, Arlington can't fill allowance races. How can they if Monmouth, with all this money to give away, struggles to do this as well.

The whole thing is a great eye opener as to why racing isn't as good ( everywhere ) as many think it should be.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's interesting to merge this discussion with the one also taking place about Arlington. According to that conversation, Arlington can't fill allowance races. How can they if Monmouth, with all this money to give away, struggles to do this as well.

The whole thing is a great eye opener as to why racing isn't as good ( everywhere ) as many think it should be.

is there a need for less tracks?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

is there a need for less tracks?

Maybe. But it's a complicated discussion. One of the problems with internet discussions, and I don't mean this as a criticism of yours, is that people tend to throw out declarations without any awareness or discussion of entire issues.

Right now there is a horse shortage, especially at the top, and this makes carding higher level racing near impossible regardless of how much money a track is willing to give away. Considering this situation, some tracks have done a remarkably good job of putting on as good a show as they do. Will contraction make things better or will it drive so many people out of the game that even with less racing these same problems exist? Is it only a " strong survive " situation? I don't necessarily think so, as there are a great deal of other factors, and one facet can't be ignored, or pushed aside, in an attempt to strengthen the other. How is the high end strengthened if it doesn't even exist?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Maybe. But it's a complicated discussion. One of the problems with internet discussions, and I don't mean this as a criticism of yours, is that people tend to throw out declarations without any awareness or discussion of entire issues.

Right now there is a horse shortage, especially at the top, and this makes carding higher level racing near impossible regardless of how much money a track is willing to give away. Considering this situation, some tracks have done a remarkably good job of putting on as good a show as they do. Will contraction make things better or will it drive so many people out of the game that even with less racing these same problems exist? Is it only a " strong survive " situation? I don't necessarily think so, as there are a great deal of other factors, and one facet can't be ignored, or pushed aside, in an attempt to strengthen the other. How is the high end strengthened if it doesn't even exist?

very valid point. When monmouth is only racing 3/4 days a week, and they still cant fill allowance races, especially with those purses, then there is a major problem.

How many higher level allowance horses do Goldophin and other oversea's racing stables buy from the US and send to Dubai? I know they've been doing this for many years now.. Is that depleting our stock or is it just a minor blip in the radar?

[blackthroatedwind]

It's not the reason but it might not be unfair to say it is a contributing factor. Don't forget, it's not just the horses they buy, but also the high quality broodmare band they have amassed, and their subsequent foals. They has definitely been a talent drain so to speak.

[Antitrust32]

or is it slots that are helping this problem? Now top level allowance horses can run at "lower level" tracks because the purses are the same. So it dilutes the competition too much because the owners/trainers are just entering in spots they think they'll win?? (not that I blame them)

Or the stakes horses these days are so bad, that a horse that really should be an allowance type are running in G3's??