Michelle Calls Barack a "Kenyan"

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

The difference there, though, is that you don't look like a total fool running around screaming conspiracy theories when wondering if a guy is 35 or whether he's 40, and he doesn't make a fool of you by not showing his driver's license.

You're not embarrassed in the situation above because you don't wind up looking like a raving lunatic.

That outcome is the key difference between that scenario and the birther one. Otherwise, it was an excellent comparison!

That is your opinion that anyone who questions Obama's birthplace is a raving lunatic. I'm sure there are plenty of people that agree with you. But I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't.

[Riot]

"FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.[17]

An image of a sample Certificate of Live Birth issued by the State of Hawaii in 1961. The certificate includes detailed information such as hospital and physician names

The director of Hawaii's Department of Health, Chiyome Fukino, issued a statement confirming that the state held Obama's "original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures".[10][11]"

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

We all know about the certificate of live birth. The certificate of live birth does not prove anything. That is not a birth certificate. You do not need to be born in the US to get one of those.

The existence of Obama's ceritificate of live birth is not disputed by anyone.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The certificate of live birth does not prove anything. That is not a birth certificate. You do not need to be born in the US to get one of those.

The certificate of live birth proves, according to the State of Hawaii, that the guy was born in Hawaii. The independent newspaper announcements of the birth verify it happened.

'Zig posted this a long time ago:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

The certificate of live birth proves, according to the State of Hawaii, that the guy was born in Hawaii. The independent newspaper announcements of the birth verify it happened.

'Zig posted this a long time ago:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

From the article I linked aerlier:

"Obama has only proffered on the Internet a "Certification of Live Birth" to assert he was born in Hawaii, but that document was available to children not born in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth. Many people remain unaware a child could be born somewhere else and still receive a Hawaii certification. State law specifically allows "an adult or the legal parents of a minor child" to apply to the health department and, upon unspecified proof, be given the birth document."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=165633

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

From the article I linked aerlier:

"Obama has only proffered on the Internet a "Certification of Live Birth" to assert he was born in Hawaii, but that document was available to children not born in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth. Many people remain unaware a child could be born somewhere else and still receive a Hawaii certification. State law specifically allows "an adult or the legal parents of a minor child" to apply to the health department and, upon unspecified proof, be given the birth document."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=165633

Rupert..you're a smart dude. Don't burn credibility on this. As I said earlier, the Right's biggest fault is they just bash EVERYTHING...You can only cry wolf so many times before the credible criticism gets lost in the muddle of everything else.

[Honu]

Who really cares either you like his policies or you dont and in 2and 1/2 years it can all be changed. It is my opinon that the current President is in so far over his head that he will be relieved to be voted out at the next Presidental election.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Rupert..you're a smart dude. Don't burn credibility on this. As I said earlier, the Right's biggest fault is they just bash EVERYTHING...You can only cry wolf so many times before the credible criticism gets lost in the muddle of everything else.

I actually agree with you about this. I think a lot of Republicans go overboard with their constant criticism of Obama, no matter what he does, and these people do lose some credibility. Although I think the left was guilty of this too when Bush was President.

With regards to the whole birthplace issue, I honestly think there could be something there. I may lose some credibility with you guys over it, but the the whole thing just looks fishy to me.

I agree with you that it is still conceivable that Obama could get re-elected, especially if the Tea Party runs as a 3rd party.

[Patrick333]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Rupert..you're a smart dude. Don't burn credibility on this. As I said earlier, the Right's biggest fault is they just bash EVERYTHING...You can only cry wolf so many times before the credible criticism gets lost in the muddle of everything else.

You must have missed the Bush years when Democrats took bashing to a new level.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That is your opinion that anyone who questions Obama's birthplace is a raving lunatic. I'm sure there are plenty of people that agree with you. But I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't.

There are also plenty of people who believe that if they blow themselves up, they'll be rewarded with 72 virgins in the afterlife.

There are also plenty of people who believe that George Bush ordered 9/11.

Not all opinions are created equal. Not every opinion should be respected as legitimate just because there is a group of people that believes it.

That's the problem. Not that you seem to think I don't know what an opinion is, or that you're entitled to one just like I am. The problem is that opinions are not necessarily equal just because someone says "well that's my opinion."

I say grass is green. If you tell me it's not, and that it's your opinion, that doesn't make your opinion legitimate. It is, obviously, still the opinion that you're certainly entitled to, but it's still ridiculous and laughable and absurd and should not be treated as anything less than such just because you're hiding behind the tired old "well that's your opinion, and this is mine, which I'm entitled to" routine.

And that's how we've ended up here. You're entitled to be a crazy birther, but you shouldn't expect to get treated like anything other than a crazy birther, as much as you seem to keep acting as though this is something along the lines of investigative journalism (certainly what WND is known for: objective investigative journalism!!1!!!!11!), rather than crackpot crazy conspiracy theory. If the shoe fits, wear it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

There are also plenty of people who believe that if they blow themselves up, they'll be rewarded with 72 virgins in the afterlife.

There are also plenty of people who believe that George Bush ordered 9/11.

Not all opinions are created equal. Not every opinion should be respected as legitimate just because there is a group of people that believes it.

That's the problem. Not that you seem to think I don't know what an opinion is, or that you're entitled to one just like I am. The problem is that opinions are not necessarily equal just because someone says "well that's my opinion."

I say grass is green. If you tell me it's not, and that it's your opinion, that doesn't make your opinion legitimate. It is, obviously, still the opinion that you're certainly entitled to, but it's still ridiculous and laughable and absurd and should not be treated as anything less than such just because you're hiding behind the tired old "well that's your opinion, and this is mine, which I'm entitled to" routine.

And that's how we've ended up here. You're entitled to be a crazy birther, but you shouldn't expect to get treated like anything other than a crazy birther, as much as you seem to keep acting as though this is something along the lines of investigative journalism (certainly what WND is known for: objective investigative journalism!!1!!!!11!), rather than crackpot crazy conspiracy theory. If the shoe fits, wear it.

I agree with you 100% that not all opinions are equal.

You misunderstood what I said. When I said that plenty of people would disagree with you, I was not talking about birthers disagreeing with you about where Obama was born. I was disagreeing with your assumption that everyone thinks that anyone who questions Obama's birthplace is a "raving lunatic".