6/19-20 (BEL): New York S. (G2); Mike Lee S.

NTamm1215 · #1 06-21-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by richard

According to bloodhorse.com
"Kimmel said Friend Or Foe will likely bypass the series’ second leg, the $150,000 New York Derby at Finger Lakes on July 17, in favor of "bigger and better things."

He sounds like a pompous

. Why even run in the first leg of the Big Apple Triple and then turn around and insult the series ?

Granted he may have been caught off guard by the question but he should have known it was coming .

Friend or Foe deserves to be tested more against open company. Considering how much his owners have put into the NY bred program, they shouldn't be castigated for opting to run him in graded stakes races.

NT

richard · #2 06-21-2010, 11:41 AM

I'm not referring to the owners . Kimmel's quote is bush. He could have made the point in an unoffensive manner .

Maybe he'll go to the Jim Dandy next.

RockHardTen1985 · #3 06-21-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Friend or Foe deserves to be tested more against open company. Considering how much his owners have put into the NY bred program, they shouldn't be castigated for opting to run him in graded stakes races.

NT

I get the feeling we dont see much out of him vs open company.

blackthroatedwind · #4 06-21-2010, 01:53 PM

I believe he is being pointed, theoretically, to the Jim Dandy and Travers.

Let me ask you, being anyone, if he was your horse, given his talent as well as the respective talent in this division, would you be running him in the NY Derby next?

RockHardTen1985 · #5 06-21-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I believe he is being pointed, theoretically, to the Jim Dandy and Travers.

Let me ask you, being anyone, if he was your horse, given his talent as well as the respective talent in this division, would you be running him in the NY Derby next?

Im not so sure about going long. If he was my horse I would go Amsterdam next. I am not nearly as high on him as some others, and I loved General Maximus yesterday, but Friend or For did all the dirty work and was strong late.

richard · #6 06-21-2010, 02:27 PM

Kimmel should respect the Big Apple Triple more when he speaks, imo. We'll have to add up the numbers after the Albany H. at the spa and see if ForF has exceeded the potential winnings of sweeping the series at that time . Purse money available for the NY Derby and Albany H totals $250,000 plus a $100,000 if swept. Plus about $20,000 in breeder awards .

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty folks happy he's not in the series any more . Should make for a bigger field in the derby.

blackthroatedwind · #7 06-21-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by richard

Kimmel should respect the Big Apple Triple more when he speaks, imo. We'll have to add up the numbers after the Albany H. at the spa and see if ForF has exceeded the potential winnings of sweeping the series at that time . Purse money available for the NY Derby and Albany H totals $250,000 plus a $100,000 if swept. Plus about $20,000 in breeder awards .

I don't think the Bromans need to apologize for their " respect " for the NY Bred program. They seem to do quite a lot to support it.

From an expected value standpoint, it would be lunacy NOT to run in the Jim Dandy.

richard · #8 06-21-2010, 02:39 PM

My beef is with Kimmel's comments, not the Broman's. We'll see after the Albany H how much "bigger and better" things really got .

blackthroatedwind · #9 06-21-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im not so sure about going long. If he was my horse I would go Amsterdam next. I am not nearly as high on him as some others, and I loved General Maximus yesterday, but Friend or For did all the dirty work and was strong late.

Nothing personal, but your opinion of his talent is irrelevent.

The reason you run him in the Jim Dandy, and not the Amsterdam, is that if he fails to answer the distance question you can always turn him back for the King's Bishop.....while if he answers it positively you can shoot for the Travers, which is especially inviting this year given the crop. If you run him in the Amsterdam, while you may answer the talent question, you don't answer the more important one. Given the way he has already run, he has already shown he has the prerequisite talent.

The payoff in winning certain races is not the purses. It is partly the prestige but mostly in creating a sire. In this horse's case that not only has the obvious financial rewards, but also as a homebred, it has great cache.

parsixfarms · #10 06-21-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The payoff in winning certain races is not the purses. It is partly the prestige but mostly in creating a sire. In this horse's case that not only has the obvious financial rewards, but also as a homebred, it has great cache.

I don't know how much cache Friend or Foe would likely have as a sire. However, since he is a homebred, major stakes placings by Friend or Foe would further help the value of the female members of this family, many of which are members of the Bromans' broodmare band and from which they have already sold several pricey yearlings/2YOs.

RolloTomasi · #11 06-21-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I don't know how much cache Friend or Foe would likely have as a sire. However, since he is a homebred, major stakes placings by Friend or Foe would further help the value of the female members of this family, many of which are members of the Bromans' broodmare band and from which they have already sold several pricey yearlings/2YOs.

Not saying he's a major stallion, but didn't Friend of Foe's own sire follow a similar projected career act when he raced?

Friends Lake could do worse than standing at Airdrie in KY.

blackthroatedwind · #12 06-21-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I don't know how much cache Friend or Foe would likely have as a sire. However, since he is a homebred, major stakes placings by Friend or Foe would further help the value of the female members of this family, many of which are members of the Bromans' broodmare band and from which they have already sold several pricey yearlings/2YOs.

I agree with all of this.

What I meant ( and I realize my post/points were jumbled ) was that it would sort of have cache for the owners....that is having a homebred stallion. i.e. it would be cool for them.

blackthroatedwind · #13 06-21-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by richard

If he was my horse I'd probably lean toward the Jim Dandy, for example. But I'd give it a little thought before the lips start flapping .

That's not totally unfair....but you're suggesting they didn't discuss it before yesterday's race.

RolloTomasi · #14 06-21-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by richard

If he was my horse I'd probably lean toward the Jim Dandy, for example. But I'd give it a little thought before the lips start flapping .

Are you sure it was some flippant, callous remark? We don't know what tone he was using. That sort of remark is said all the time after horses win similar "stepping stone" races.

Is the Jim Dandy "bigger and better" than the NY Derby? How about running at Saratoga versus Finger Lakes?