6/19-20 (BEL): New York S. (G2); Mike Lee S.

richard · #1 06-21-2010, 02:27 PM

Kimmel should respect the Big Apple Triple more when he speaks, imo. We'll have to add up the numbers after the Albany H. at the spa and see if ForF has exceeded the potential winnings of sweeping the series at that time . Purse money available for the NY Derby and Albany H totals $250,000 plus a $100,000 if swept. Plus about $20,000 in breeder awards .

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty folks happy he's not in the series any more . Should make for a bigger field in the derby.

blackthroatedwind · #2 06-21-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by richard

Kimmel should respect the Big Apple Triple more when he speaks, imo. We'll have to add up the numbers after the Albany H. at the spa and see if ForF has exceeded the potential winnings of sweeping the series at that time . Purse money available for the NY Derby and Albany H totals $250,000 plus a $100,000 if swept. Plus about $20,000 in breeder awards .

I don't think the Bromans need to apologize for their " respect " for the NY Bred program. They seem to do quite a lot to support it.

From an expected value standpoint, it would be lunacy NOT to run in the Jim Dandy.

richard · #3 06-21-2010, 02:39 PM

My beef is with Kimmel's comments, not the Broman's. We'll see after the Albany H how much "bigger and better" things really got .

blackthroatedwind · #4 06-21-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by richard

My beef is with Kimmel's comments, not the Broman's. We'll see after the Albany H how much "bigger and better" things really got .

You're not listening.

Stop acting as though this is some personal affront to the NY bred program and think about it logically.

richard · #5 06-21-2010, 02:46 PM

I guess you're right . I should actually say "Thank You" for not running in the rest of the triple . It does open up more opportunity for other horses .

And I'm starting to see the light now

... because the $100,000 bonus is not up for grabs I wonder if any of the Mile Lee horses will be in the NY Derby . I could be an interesting field with lots of betting opportunites . Thank you all for the enlightening dialogue and I agree FoF deserves his promotion.

Linny · #6 06-21-2010, 03:23 PM

This is a series that was swept once. FoF is 3 for 3 sprinting and is by a G1 route winning son of AP Indy o/o an Unbridled mare. I recall Unbridled Star as a pretty nice filly so like most of the Broman's NY breds, this one is very well bred to go a distance.
With the crop as shoddy as it is, it makes sense to take a shot in open company. If he were to sweep the Triple, it's worth about $250k. Running well (even without winning) in major events like the Jim Dandy and Travers will establish FoF near the top of the division. As Andy said, if he come up short in the Jim Dandy, the King's Bishop is a fallback option and hat is a serious "stallion makers" race. As a horse owned by the breeder (who also campaigned and, I think still owns the sire and dam) establishing this horse's level within his crop might be more important that sweping the Triple.
In a perfect world, I'd love to see FoF have a try at a 1 turn mile at Belmont or even a race like the 2 turn Long Branch at MTH, before the Jim Dandy, but they just don't run them like that any more.
I don't think that Kimmel is snubbing or "dissing" the NY program, but he's right, graded races are "bigger and better" than restricted stakes. He's got a colt he thinks is graded quality. If he were hiding him away in the statebred races everyone would be wailing about him not testing the colt.