The "New" Pac-10?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm sorry, but do people in Denver really give a crap about CU sports? Serious question. I'd always thought Denver was much more a pro sports town.

I'm not trying to be an ass but do you understand what is happening here? The Denver market would be getting the pac-10 games now. The people there would be exposed to the Pac-10. They currently arent. Denver is like the 17th largest TV market in the country that would now be Pac-10 territory. It is by far the largest TV market in the Mountain time zone. The expansion gives the pac 10 the LA market(2), SF market(6), Dallas/Ft Worth(7), Houston (10), Seattle(13), Phoenix(14), Denver(17), Sacramento (19) and Portland (23)markets. That is 9 out of the top 23 TV markets in the country. Don't you think that is a whole lot more important clout-wise than kansas basketball? You don't think that every Sat night in the fall we are going to get ABC or Fox double headers featuring pac 10 teams? You don't think that the new pac-10 football championship isn't going to be a major deal?

The really troubling thing is that these same college presidents that are selling out thier conference partners for a bigger piece of the pie will howl with indignity if a player gets a pair of shoes or if someone buys their parents a plane ticket to see them play. "It's all about the student-athlete" they will cry and some idiots will actuall believe them. KY's president willing signed up calipari knowing full well that the shadester will virtually only "recruit" one and done guys who will most likely not bother to attend class but for one semester. USC's president ignored Carroll's players being better paid than some NFL teams and now they are going to the sidelines while Carroll gets paid to screw up the Seahawks.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm not trying to be an ass but do you understand what is happening here? The Denver market would be getting the pac-10 games now. The people there would be exposed to the Pac-10. They currently arent. Denver is like the 17th largest TV market in the country that would now be Pac-10 territory. It is by far the largest TV market in the Mountain time zone. The expansion gives the pac 10 the LA market(2), SF market(6), Dallas/Ft Worth(7), Houston (10), Seattle(13), Phoenix(14), Denver(17), Sacramento (19) and Portland (23)markets. That is 9 out of the top 23 TV markets in the country. Don't you think that is a whole lot more important clout-wise than kansas basketball? You don't think that every Sat night in the fall we are going to get ABC or Fox double headers featuring pac 10 teams? You don't think that the new pac-10 football championship isn't going to be a major deal?

The really troubling thing is that these same college presidents that are selling out thier conference partners for a bigger piece of the pie will howl with indignity if a player gets a pair of shoes or if someone buys their parents a plane ticket to see them play. "It's all about the student-athlete" they will cry and some idiots will actuall believe them. KY's president willing signed up calipari knowing full well that the shadester will virtually only "recruit" one and done guys who will most likely not bother to attend class but for one semester. USC's president ignored Carroll's players being better paid than some NFL teams and now they are going to the sidelines while Carroll gets paid to screw up the Seahawks.

[miraja2]

Odd time to be a Mizzou alum/fan. We certainly aren't one of the big boys of the Big 12 (Texas), but we aren't exactly the worthless pieces of crap that no conference in their right mind would want (I'm looking at you Iowa St and Kansas St).

Could still end up in the Big 10. Could end up in some modified version of the Big 12. Could end up in some backwater conference (MWC? MAC?) with a few other Big 12 North rejects. It is odd that the future of Mizzou sports could depend on the actions of organizations like the Texas State legislature and/or the Notre Dame booster club.

[slotdirt]

Like I said in the first place, I just can't imagine the powers that be in Texas are going to let UT/A&M/Tech walk without bringing Baylor with them.

Cannon, so what if the Pac-10 is in television sets in Denver? Are you suggesting they're not typically on there already provided there isn't a conflict with Colorado? And the point was that nobody in Denver cares about college football, just like nobody in vast swaths of the greatest Northeast cares about college football. I laugh at the folks who think the Big Ten are going to take Rutgers because they get the "New York" market - what do you think the ratings are for Rutgers football games in New York? They're not very high, I can tell you that much.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Like I said in the first place, I just can't imagine the powers that be in Texas are going to let UT/A&M/Tech walk without bringing Baylor with them.

Cannon, so what if the Pac-10 is in television sets in Denver? Are you suggesting they're not typically on there already provided there isn't a conflict with Colorado? And the point was that nobody in Denver cares about college football, just like nobody in vast swaths of the greatest Northeast cares about college football. I laugh at the folks who think the Big Ten are going to take Rutgers because they get the "New York" market - what do you think the ratings are for Rutgers football games in New York? They're not very high, I can tell you that much.

rutgers 1, usc 0 in the first round of the nfl draft this year.

just sayin...

[slotdirt]

Yeah, well Michigan didn't have a single player drafted in the first round of the 2009 draft while Baylor, Wake Forest, Northern Illinois, and Connecticut did. I'm not sure that puts that foursome ahead of Michigan in the college football heirarchy.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Yeah, well Michigan didn't have a single player drafted in the first round of the 2009 draft while Baylor, Wake Forest, Northern Illinois, and Connecticut did. I'm not sure that puts that foursome ahead of Michigan in the college football heirarchy.

i was just kicking sc while they're rolled up in a ball on the ground anyway.

it felt good.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Like I said in the first place, I just can't imagine the powers that be in Texas are going to let UT/A&M/Tech walk without bringing Baylor with them.

Cannon, so what if the Pac-10 is in television sets in Denver? Are you suggesting they're not typically on there already provided there isn't a conflict with Colorado? And the point was that nobody in Denver cares about college football, just like nobody in vast swaths of the greatest Northeast cares about college football. I laugh at the folks who think the Big Ten are going to take Rutgers because they get the "New York" market - what do you think the ratings are for Rutgers football games in New York? They're not very high, I can tell you that much.

i think denver leans toward CSU than colorado.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Like I said in the first place, I just can't imagine the powers that be in Texas are going to let UT/A&M/Tech walk without bringing Baylor with them.

Cannon, so what if the Pac-10 is in television sets in Denver? Are you suggesting they're not typically on there already provided there isn't a conflict with Colorado? And the point was that nobody in Denver cares about college football, just like nobody in vast swaths of the greatest Northeast cares about college football. I laugh at the folks who think the Big Ten are going to take Rutgers because they get the "New York" market - what do you think the ratings are for Rutgers football games in New York? They're not very high, I can tell you that much.

You arent getting it. The Big 10 wants the NY market to show thier premier teams Michigan and Ohio State and Penn State, etc. Getting into the market will allow them to get their network into that market. NJ cable companies that may not be carrying the Big 10 channel will now do so. Rutgers is a means to an end.

Now with Colorado in the Pac 10 Denver is pac 10 territory. That means that market will be getting a steady does of pac 10 games, not just CU games. Why you don't think this is important to TV networks and sponsors is beyond me.

[slotdirt]

Honestly, if you've ever been in New York, you'd realize that the Big 10 is on the local ABC affiliate virtually every single weekend already, and that goes double in Philadelphia. What you're failing to understand is that nobody gives two craps about college sports in the Northeast aside from Penn State, and the Big 10 already has saturation in the NY/Philly market through the Nittany Lions.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Honestly, if you've ever been in New York, you'd realize that the Big 10 is on the local ABC affiliate virtually every single weekend already, and that goes double in Philadelphia. What you're failing to understand is that nobody gives two craps about college sports in the Northeast aside from Penn State, and the Big 10 already has saturation in the NY/Philly market through the Nittany Lions.

You are failing to understand that they own their own network and want to get into the biggest tv market in the country. Why is that eluding you? If you owned a TV channel that featured Big 10 sports and made money getting on cable networks and from sponsors don't you think that getting a foothold in the NY market is important? Who else is there in that market? If they have Rutgers and Penn State they have the two biggest programs in the region.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm not trying to be an ass but do you understand what is happening here? The Denver market would be getting the pac-10 games now. The people there would be exposed to the Pac-10. They currently arent. Denver is like the 17th largest TV market in the country that would now be Pac-10 territory. It is by far the largest TV market in the Mountain time zone. The expansion gives the pac 10 the LA market(2), SF market(6), Dallas/Ft Worth(7), Houston (10), Seattle(13), Phoenix(14), Denver(17), Sacramento (19) and Portland (23)markets. That is 9 out of the top 23 TV markets in the country. Don't you think that is a whole lot more important clout-wise than kansas basketball? You don't think that every Sat night in the fall we are going to get ABC or Fox double headers featuring pac 10 teams? You don't think that the new pac-10 football championship isn't going to be a major deal?

The really troubling thing is that these same college presidents that are selling out thier conference partners for a bigger piece of the pie will howl with indignity if a player gets a pair of shoes or if someone buys their parents a plane ticket to see them play. "It's all about the student-athlete" they will cry and some idiots will actuall believe them. KY's president willing signed up calipari knowing full well that the shadester will virtually only "recruit" one and done guys who will most likely not bother to attend class but for one semester. USC's president ignored Carroll's players being better paid than some NFL teams and now they are going to the sidelines while Carroll gets paid to screw up the Seahawks.

Actually Phoenix is the largest TV market in Mountain time...

but I agree with you on every other point.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Like I said in the first place, I just can't imagine the powers that be in Texas are going to let UT/A&M/Tech walk without bringing Baylor with them.

Cannon, so what if the Pac-10 is in television sets in Denver? Are you suggesting they're not typically on there already provided there isn't a conflict with Colorado? And the point was that nobody in Denver cares about college football, just like nobody in vast swaths of the greatest Northeast cares about college football. I laugh at the folks who think the Big Ten are going to take Rutgers because they get the "New York" market - what do you think the ratings are for Rutgers football games in New York? They're not very high, I can tell you that much.

Am a Rutgers alum who lived in NYC for nearly half his life. Ratings for RU football are terrible (at best!) While there's a lot of reasons why Rutgers would fit well in the Big Ten, I also laugh at the grab for ratings in NY.

Originally Posted by ddthetide

i think denver leans toward CSU than colorado.

Definitely disagree.

[Antitrust32]

Phil, Arizona is not in Mountain time. They have their own time zone and do not change the clocks. half they year they are on mountain time and half the year they are on pacific time.

Edit: I guess Arizona is considered Mountain time zone eventhough they do not change the clocks. They are on Pacific time during the summer and Mountain time during the winter, so most college sports would fall under mountain time.

Yep we are mountain time zone and our time never changes. we also have one of the best baseball teams in the nation, the ASU Sun Devils. the addition of these teams will be fun to watch. Go Devils!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by arizonadave

Yep we are mountain time zone and our time never changes. we also have one of the best baseball teams in the nation, the ASU Sun Devils. the addition of these teams will be fun to watch. Go Devils!

BOOO SCUM DEVILS!!!! (go cats )

[ddthetide]

cowherd reporting, texas, tt, colorado, utah to the pac-10. tam to the sec.

[Crown@club]

This is how it is for Kansas. Utah is more wanted.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

cowherd reporting, texas, tt, colorado, utah to the pac-10. tam to the sec.

Cowherd had bad info. Texas reconsidering according to sportsline and that could save the big 12