The "New" Pac-10?

[slotdirt]

So you're saying that if North Carolina was suddenly in a conference with Duke, Maryland, NC State, and Memphis (Memphis being a perennial free agent in realignment discussions, so still applicable) along with five or six other randoms akin to BYU, et. al., that no major television network would want to cover that new conference? Because that is basically what you're saying in so far as Kansas/Kansas State/Missouri/Iowa State/Memphis goes in this conversation. I think you're vastly underestimating the public interest in college basketball.

[slotdirt]

Oh, and the Kansas/Kansas State cabal is vastly superior on the football side (both in attendance and recent performance) than the UNC/Duke crew in that last analogy.

[slotdirt]

CU has officially joined the Pac-10, according to the conference website. That should really improve the conference in both basketball and football.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

CU has officially joined the Pac-10, according to the conference website. That should really improve the conference in both basketball and football.

What it does is move the Pac -16(?) into the biggest mountain time zone tv market, Denver. That's why they got to come along to the party. You have to realize this has very little to do with sports. It is all about money.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What it does is move the Pac -16(?) into the biggest mountain time zone tv market, Denver. That's why they got to come along to the party. You have to realize this has very little to do with sports. It is all about money.

I'm sorry, but do people in Denver really give a crap about CU sports? Serious question. I'd always thought Denver was much more a pro sports town.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm sorry, but do people in Denver really give a crap about CU sports? Serious question. I'd always thought Denver was much more a pro sports town.

I'm not trying to be an ass but do you understand what is happening here? The Denver market would be getting the pac-10 games now. The people there would be exposed to the Pac-10. They currently arent. Denver is like the 17th largest TV market in the country that would now be Pac-10 territory. It is by far the largest TV market in the Mountain time zone. The expansion gives the pac 10 the LA market(2), SF market(6), Dallas/Ft Worth(7), Houston (10), Seattle(13), Phoenix(14), Denver(17), Sacramento (19) and Portland (23)markets. That is 9 out of the top 23 TV markets in the country. Don't you think that is a whole lot more important clout-wise than kansas basketball? You don't think that every Sat night in the fall we are going to get ABC or Fox double headers featuring pac 10 teams? You don't think that the new pac-10 football championship isn't going to be a major deal?

The really troubling thing is that these same college presidents that are selling out thier conference partners for a bigger piece of the pie will howl with indignity if a player gets a pair of shoes or if someone buys their parents a plane ticket to see them play. "It's all about the student-athlete" they will cry and some idiots will actuall believe them. KY's president willing signed up calipari knowing full well that the shadester will virtually only "recruit" one and done guys who will most likely not bother to attend class but for one semester. USC's president ignored Carroll's players being better paid than some NFL teams and now they are going to the sidelines while Carroll gets paid to screw up the Seahawks.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm not trying to be an ass but do you understand what is happening here? The Denver market would be getting the pac-10 games now. The people there would be exposed to the Pac-10. They currently arent. Denver is like the 17th largest TV market in the country that would now be Pac-10 territory. It is by far the largest TV market in the Mountain time zone. The expansion gives the pac 10 the LA market(2), SF market(6), Dallas/Ft Worth(7), Houston (10), Seattle(13), Phoenix(14), Denver(17), Sacramento (19) and Portland (23)markets. That is 9 out of the top 23 TV markets in the country. Don't you think that is a whole lot more important clout-wise than kansas basketball? You don't think that every Sat night in the fall we are going to get ABC or Fox double headers featuring pac 10 teams? You don't think that the new pac-10 football championship isn't going to be a major deal?

The really troubling thing is that these same college presidents that are selling out thier conference partners for a bigger piece of the pie will howl with indignity if a player gets a pair of shoes or if someone buys their parents a plane ticket to see them play. "It's all about the student-athlete" they will cry and some idiots will actuall believe them. KY's president willing signed up calipari knowing full well that the shadester will virtually only "recruit" one and done guys who will most likely not bother to attend class but for one semester. USC's president ignored Carroll's players being better paid than some NFL teams and now they are going to the sidelines while Carroll gets paid to screw up the Seahawks.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm not trying to be an ass but do you understand what is happening here? The Denver market would be getting the pac-10 games now. The people there would be exposed to the Pac-10. They currently arent. Denver is like the 17th largest TV market in the country that would now be Pac-10 territory. It is by far the largest TV market in the Mountain time zone. The expansion gives the pac 10 the LA market(2), SF market(6), Dallas/Ft Worth(7), Houston (10), Seattle(13), Phoenix(14), Denver(17), Sacramento (19) and Portland (23)markets. That is 9 out of the top 23 TV markets in the country. Don't you think that is a whole lot more important clout-wise than kansas basketball? You don't think that every Sat night in the fall we are going to get ABC or Fox double headers featuring pac 10 teams? You don't think that the new pac-10 football championship isn't going to be a major deal?

The really troubling thing is that these same college presidents that are selling out thier conference partners for a bigger piece of the pie will howl with indignity if a player gets a pair of shoes or if someone buys their parents a plane ticket to see them play. "It's all about the student-athlete" they will cry and some idiots will actuall believe them. KY's president willing signed up calipari knowing full well that the shadester will virtually only "recruit" one and done guys who will most likely not bother to attend class but for one semester. USC's president ignored Carroll's players being better paid than some NFL teams and now they are going to the sidelines while Carroll gets paid to screw up the Seahawks.

Actually Phoenix is the largest TV market in Mountain time...

but I agree with you on every other point.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Like I said in the first place, I just can't imagine the powers that be in Texas are going to let UT/A&M/Tech walk without bringing Baylor with them.

Cannon, so what if the Pac-10 is in television sets in Denver? Are you suggesting they're not typically on there already provided there isn't a conflict with Colorado? And the point was that nobody in Denver cares about college football, just like nobody in vast swaths of the greatest Northeast cares about college football. I laugh at the folks who think the Big Ten are going to take Rutgers because they get the "New York" market - what do you think the ratings are for Rutgers football games in New York? They're not very high, I can tell you that much.

Am a Rutgers alum who lived in NYC for nearly half his life. Ratings for RU football are terrible (at best!) While there's a lot of reasons why Rutgers would fit well in the Big Ten, I also laugh at the grab for ratings in NY.

Originally Posted by ddthetide

i think denver leans toward CSU than colorado.

Definitely disagree.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Oh, and the Kansas/Kansas State cabal is vastly superior on the football side (both in attendance and recent performance) than the UNC/Duke crew in that last analogy.

Dude attendance is not a factor, nor is recent performance. TV ratings are and none of those football teams move anyones chains.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

So you're saying that if North Carolina was suddenly in a conference with Duke, Maryland, NC State, and Memphis (Memphis being a perennial free agent in realignment discussions, so still applicable) along with five or six other randoms akin to BYU, et. al., that no major television network would want to cover that new conference? Because that is basically what you're saying in so far as Kansas/Kansas State/Missouri/Iowa State/Memphis goes in this conversation. I think you're vastly underestimating the public interest in college basketball.

You are missing the point. The ACC added football schools when it expanded. Do you think they added FSU and Miami and VaTech because of their basketball prowess? Don't you think there is a reason that Memphis always gets left behind? It is because they have a weak football program.

The schools that you mention like Kansas State and Iowa state are toxic assets. No one outside of the towns that they are based in cares a bit about those schools. The schools that you mention are all in small markets and outside of kansas have no national cache. They just dont, especially when it comes to football. The sad truth is that the football programs pay for the vast majority of sports at these schools.

I am not making this stuff up. There is a boatload of info available on the breakup of these conferences and the reasoning why. Rather than come back with hypothetical situations read up and see what is driving the bus. Hell I dont like it either but at least my school is lucky enough to be in one of the "have" conferences.