The "New" Pac-10?

slotdirt · #1 06-10-2010, 10:53 AM

Find me a single time in recent history where a big Kansas game wasn't on ESPN at 9:00 p.m. Eastern time - KU games are nearly always the late part of an ESPN double header. I don't see the big deal there. Kansas could be in the Ivy League and would still get television exposure. Kansas, UNC, Kentucky, and to a somewhat lesser extent for a variety of reasons, UCLA and Duke, kind of transcend conference when it comes to college basketball.

Cannon Shell · #2 06-10-2010, 10:58 AM

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Find me a single time in recent history where a big Kansas game wasn't on ESPN at 9:00 p.m. Eastern time - KU games are nearly always the late part of an ESPN double header. I don't see the big deal there. Kansas could be in the Ivy League and would still get television exposure. Kansas, UNC, Kentucky, and to a somewhat lesser extent for a variety of reasons, UCLA and Duke, kind of transcend conference when it comes to college basketball.

Do you understand that they were on because their conference had a deal with ESPN, not because ESPN decided to show them? They may be going to a conference with a deal with CSTV. Have you ever once seen a game on CSTV? Remember last year when TCU football was undefeated and ranked in the top 5? Did you remember seeing any of their games? Probably not because they were on CSTV which virtually no one gets because it requires a separate subscription on most cable deals.

The world changes and like it or not this is a kick in the balls to Kansas basketball. It isn't like they are going to become terrible but they are certainly going to be negatively impacted

slotdirt · #3 06-10-2010, 11:09 AM

I think we're arguing completely different things here. You are assuming that a basketball conference featuring Kansas will continue to be shown on CSTV. I am assuming that many networks would jump at the chance to form a television deal with a conference that features Kansas/Kansas State and others (maybe Iowa State, maybe Missouri, maybe even Memphis).

There's a 0.0 percent chance that Kansas is going to end up in a conference that has no basketball exposure. Zero. None. Nil. Arguing that a conference like the MWC has only a CSTV deal on June 10, 2010, is completely irrelevant to this discussion, IMHO.

Cannon Shell · #4 06-10-2010, 11:17 AM

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I think we're arguing completely different things here. You are assuming that a basketball conference featuring Kansas will continue to be shown on CSTV. I am assuming that many networks would jump at the chance to form a television deal with a conference that features Kansas/Kansas State and others (maybe Iowa State, maybe Missouri, maybe even Memphis).

There's a 0.0 percent chance that Kansas is going to end up in a conference that has no basketball exposure. Zero. None. Nil. Arguing that a conference like the MWC has only a CSTV deal on June 10, 2010, is completely irrelevant to this discussion, IMHO.

I don't know where you get the idea that one school will make a difference? I have no idea how long the contract with CSTV lasts or what gets covered on the MTN but they cover all the mountain west sports and no one else wants that product. No major network is going to pay serious money to cover a bunch of schools mainly in small markets with virtually no national name recognition. None. You are completely delusional if you think that kansas basketball is big enough to make a network pay a billion dollars to cover the mountain west. Please read the vast number of articles on this topic that are all over the web. If you can't understand that bigtime football drives the bus then this discussion is a moot point. Individual teams simply don't matter that much especially basketball ones.

slotdirt · #5 06-10-2010, 11:22 AM

So you're saying that if North Carolina was suddenly in a conference with Duke, Maryland, NC State, and Memphis (Memphis being a perennial free agent in realignment discussions, so still applicable) along with five or six other randoms akin to BYU, et. al., that no major television network would want to cover that new conference? Because that is basically what you're saying in so far as Kansas/Kansas State/Missouri/Iowa State/Memphis goes in this conversation. I think you're vastly underestimating the public interest in college basketball.

slotdirt · #6 06-10-2010, 11:22 AM

Oh, and the Kansas/Kansas State cabal is vastly superior on the football side (both in attendance and recent performance) than the UNC/Duke crew in that last analogy.

slotdirt · #7 06-10-2010, 11:29 AM

CU has officially joined the Pac-10, according to the conference website. That should really improve the conference in both basketball and football.

Cannon Shell · #8 06-10-2010, 11:34 AM

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Oh, and the Kansas/Kansas State cabal is vastly superior on the football side (both in attendance and recent performance) than the UNC/Duke crew in that last analogy.

Dude attendance is not a factor, nor is recent performance. TV ratings are and none of those football teams move anyones chains.

Cannon Shell · #9 06-10-2010, 11:33 AM

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So you're saying that if North Carolina was suddenly in a conference with Duke, Maryland, NC State, and Memphis (Memphis being a perennial free agent in realignment discussions, so still applicable) along with five or six other randoms akin to BYU, et. al., that no major television network would want to cover that new conference? Because that is basically what you're saying in so far as Kansas/Kansas State/Missouri/Iowa State/Memphis goes in this conversation. I think you're vastly underestimating the public interest in college basketball.

You are missing the point. The ACC added football schools when it expanded. Do you think they added FSU and Miami and VaTech because of their basketball prowess? Don't you think there is a reason that Memphis always gets left behind? It is because they have a weak football program.

The schools that you mention like Kansas State and Iowa state are toxic assets. No one outside of the towns that they are based in cares a bit about those schools. The schools that you mention are all in small markets and outside of kansas have no national cache. They just dont, especially when it comes to football. The sad truth is that the football programs pay for the vast majority of sports at these schools.

I am not making this stuff up. There is a boatload of info available on the breakup of these conferences and the reasoning why. Rather than come back with hypothetical situations read up and see what is driving the bus. Hell I dont like it either but at least my school is lucky enough to be in one of the "have" conferences.