Zenyatta assigned 129 pounds for Vanity

[blackthroatedwind]

The wind was emenating from Southern California.

[Smooth Operator]

Ah, the armchair trainers are out in force … again

Pay no attention to their idle chatter, John … do whatever it takes to get your champion SIX-YEAR-OLD mare back to the CUP fresh, fit, and ready to fire her best shot at the 10f pretenders



Meanwhile, in other news, the reigning 'horse-of-the-year' goes for that elusive first W in some G2 at CD… lol

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Ah, the armchair trainers are out in force … again

Pay no attention to their idle chatter, John … do whatever it takes to get your champion SIX-YEAR-OLD mare back to the CUP fresh, fit, and ready to fire her best shot at the 10f pretenders



Meanwhile, in other news, the reigning 'horse-of-the-year' goes for that elusive first W in some G2 at CD… lol

I agree. To me, it is obvious the old man gets a hard on when she runs in California because some of the attention gets put on him. He is praised by the people there for running them there.

Personally, I can care less what races she runs in, I'm just glad she is running. Sure I would like to see her against better competition but it is what it is.

I wasn't around for Personal Ensign or Ruffian or any of the other greats that all the old timers talk about. In my lifetime, Zenyatta is a 'great' and I enjoy seeing her run. I'll never forget the energy inside of Santa Anita when she popped her head out down the lane in the BC, it was like people were only watching her the whole time and saw she had a chance and went apeshit.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Scav

I agree. To me, it is obvious the old man gets a hard on when she runs in California because some of the attention gets put on him. He is praised by the people there for running them there.

Personally, I can care less what races she runs in, I'm just glad she is running. Sure I would like to see her against better competition but it is what it is.

I wasn't around for Personal Ensign or Ruffian or any of the other greats that all the old timers talk about. In my lifetime, Zenyatta is a 'great' and I enjoy seeing her run. I'll never forget the energy inside of Santa Anita when she popped her head out down the lane in the BC, it was like people were only watching her the whole time and saw she had a chance and went apeshit.

Blah blah blah. She's not doing anything new, so why's it so great that she's still running? She might as well be retired. It's nice that you were there for her BC win and it's nice that she has fans in California, but the rest of us couldn't give two shts about that right now. We want to see her challenged, not do the same damn boring thing three years in a row.

Again, they want best in show, not HOY.

[Danzig]

no, they want hoy. they just don't want to run an hoy campaign to earn it. they're supposed to get the votes just based on her 'talent', not on her actual on the track accomplishments. kills me the bitter zenyatta fans who think she should have won over a 3 yo who went out and EARNED it throughout an entire, perfect season.
at the very least, zenyatta should be in the californian. and giving nine pounds-big deal. like that's something to brag about.

am i glad she's running, sure. is the campaign one for the ages? hell no.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, they want hoy. they just don't want to run an hoy campaign to earn it.

That's as succinctly as anyone can possibly put it.

[Cannon Shell]

Honestly there is less interest in general in Zenyatta's CA AAA events than any other supposedly great horse in history. I doubt that I will go out of my way to watch her race.

The best thing would have been her losing that race at Del mar last year so they wouldn't be so obsessed with the stupid winning streak. Winning streaks are only in vogue now because owners want to be part of the story and the college football mentality rules. Perhaps if they didn't have the undefeated deal they would have tested her in traditional proving grounds. Now if she doesn't win out and win the BC i just dont think she will be remembered as anything more than a really good horse who spent much of her career ducking competition, and mostly historically weak competition at that.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Honestly there is less interest in general in Zenyatta's CA AAA events than any other supposedly great horse in history. I doubt that I will go out of my way to watch her race.

The best thing would have been her losing that race at Del mar last year so they wouldn't be so obsessed with the stupid winning streak. Winning streaks are only in vogue now because owners want to be part of the story and the college football mentality rules. Perhaps if they didn't have the undefeated deal they would have tested her in traditional proving grounds. Now if she doesn't win out and win the BC i just dont think she will be remembered as anything more than a really good horse who spent much of her career ducking competition, and mostly historically weak competition at that.

SOLID.

[10 pnt move up]

I want to see how she runs Sunday, if she runs off and wins for fun than yea this sounds really stupid.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Blah blah blah. She's not doing anything new, so why's it so great that she's still running? She might as well be retired. It's nice that you were there for her BC win and it's nice that she has fans in California, but the rest of us couldn't give two shts about that right now. We want to see her challenged, not do the same damn boring thing three years in a row.

Again, they want best in show, not HOY.

[slotdirt]

People who bitch about Zenyatta carrying too much weight need to take a look at a history book. How much did Phar Lap carry and give in his day? Kelso? Spectacular Bid? If she's going to be considered by her fans to be an all time great, the horse needs to be treated like one.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

People who bitch about Zenyatta carrying too much weight need to take a look at a history book. How much did Phar Lap carry and give in his day? Kelso? Spectacular Bid? If she's going to be considered by her fans to be an all time great, the horse needs to be treated like one.

those were great horses..she is exceptional for her time but as ateam said
you will never be in the same page as them with the continuation of the
poly program..race vs the same ones in your back yard..peppers pride #2

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Ah, the armchair trainers are out in force … again

Pay no attention to their idle chatter, John … do whatever it takes to get your champion SIX-YEAR-OLD mare back to the CUP fresh, fit, and ready to fire her best shot at the 10f pretenders



Meanwhile, in other news, the reigning 'horse-of-the-year' goes for that elusive first W in some G2 at CD… lol

Hey probation boy! Were you one of the dirty boosters? Too bad mr Kardashian has to give back his trophy...

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

… do whatever it takes to get your champion SIX-YEAR-OLD mare back to the CUP fresh, fit, and ready to fire her best shot at the 10f pretenders

Of all the monumentally stupid things Zenyattards say, this thing about being a six year old, to me, is easily the most asinine.

Firstly, that 2yo campaign Zenyatta had, I assure you, took nothing out of her. She ran a whole whopping ZERO times at 2.

She did, however, have a far more taxing race schedule as a 3yo. After spending nearly the first eleven months of her 3yo season not racing, she finally makes her debut on Nov. 22 of her 3yo season, then actually made a second start to close out a truly grueling 3yo campaign.

So, in effect, this is really only her third season of racing. Same as RA.

In case the obvious has eluded you, that means that by the time in RA's career that she had locked up the HOY trophy, Zenyatta, was still an unraced prospect, in her own respective career.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Of all the monumentally stupid things Zenyattards say, this thing about being a six year old, to me, is easily the most asinine.

Firstly, that 2yo campaign Zenyatta had, I assure you, took nothing out of her. She ran a whole whopping ZERO times at 2.

She did, however, have a far more taxing race schedule as a 3yo. After spending nearly the first eleven months of her 3yo season not racing, she finally makes her debut on Nov. 22 of her 3yo season, then actually made a second start to close out a truly grueling 3yo campaign.

So, in effect, this is really only her third season of racing. Same as RA.

In case the obvious has eluded you, that means that by the time in RA's career that she had locked up the HOY trophy, Zenyatta, was still an unraced prospect, in her own respective career.

What do you think this is, moron, some pseudo-sport like golf or bowling where old fat guys can still compete with younger dudes on a given day?

All of these equine athletes will eventually lose a step or two if they hang around long enough … especially if they're past the age of five.

Pleasantly Perfect was another high-quality relatively lightly raced animal. Do you believe he was as fast in the latter part of his 6yo campaign as he was as a 5yo?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

What do you think this is, moron, some pseudo-sport like golf or bowling where old fat guys can still compete with younger dudes on a given day?

All of these equine athletes will eventually lose a step or two if they hang around long enough … especially if they're past the age of five.

Pleasantly Perfect was another high-quality relatively lightly raced animal. Do you believe he was as fast in the latter part of his 6yo campaign as he was as a 5yo?

Pleasantly Perfect was a bad example. I always thought as much if not more of his 3rd place finish in the BC Classic in 2004 than his win in 2003. He received a dreadful ride from Jerry Bailey in 2004 and was really the only horse who did any running from off the pace in a merry-go-round race.

He also won the Dubai World Cup and Pacific Classic as a 6YO, so saying that he was better as a 5YO is kind of stupid.

NT

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Pleasantly Perfect was a bad example.

NT

Actually, it was the perfect example.

Smooth Operator consistently proves himself inept.

[slotdirt]

Take out that awfully weak version of the Classic in 2003, and there's nothing else about Pleasantly Perfect's 2003 season that was superior than his 2004 season. Then again, there's nothing about Zenyatta's 2009 or 2010 seasons to suggest to me that she wasn't at her best in 2008.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Actually, it was the perfect example.

Smooth Operator consistently proves himself inept.

I think this post proves who is actually inept.

[slotdirt]

Pleasantly Perfect may well have been as fast the latter part of his 6YO campaign. He won the freaking Pacific Classic in August and - oh no! - lost to Ghostzapper and Roses in May in the Breeders Cup Classic. That is a perfectly retarded comparison.