Zenyatta assigned 129 pounds for Vanity

[Cannon Shell]

Honestly there is less interest in general in Zenyatta's CA AAA events than any other supposedly great horse in history. I doubt that I will go out of my way to watch her race.

The best thing would have been her losing that race at Del mar last year so they wouldn't be so obsessed with the stupid winning streak. Winning streaks are only in vogue now because owners want to be part of the story and the college football mentality rules. Perhaps if they didn't have the undefeated deal they would have tested her in traditional proving grounds. Now if she doesn't win out and win the BC i just dont think she will be remembered as anything more than a really good horse who spent much of her career ducking competition, and mostly historically weak competition at that.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Honestly there is less interest in general in Zenyatta's CA AAA events than any other supposedly great horse in history. I doubt that I will go out of my way to watch her race.

The best thing would have been her losing that race at Del mar last year so they wouldn't be so obsessed with the stupid winning streak. Winning streaks are only in vogue now because owners want to be part of the story and the college football mentality rules. Perhaps if they didn't have the undefeated deal they would have tested her in traditional proving grounds. Now if she doesn't win out and win the BC i just dont think she will be remembered as anything more than a really good horse who spent much of her career ducking competition, and mostly historically weak competition at that.

SOLID.

[10 pnt move up]

I want to see how she runs Sunday, if she runs off and wins for fun than yea this sounds really stupid.

[smartbid09]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But these comments about Zenyatta are so weird to me. I am looking very forward to seeing Zenyatta run. She is attempting to make racing history sunday. Only one other horse in america will ever have won more races than Zenyatta while undefeated. That's Huge.

Zenyatta is not responsible for what races she runs in. She's a horse. On Sunday she will attempt to make history and there are people here saying they're not going to watch it. They're entitled to do what they want. But in my opinion it's really dumb to miss out on a historic race because you dislike her campaign. History is history - and one way or another Sunday's race will be a race people will talk about for years to come.

Don't miss history because you hate a horse's campaign.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But these comments about Zenyatta are so weird to me. I am looking very forward to seeing Zenyatta run. She is attempting to make racing history sunday. Only one other horse in america will ever have won more races than Zenyatta while undefeated. That's Huge.

Zenyatta is not responsible for what races she runs in. She's a horse. On Sunday she will attempt to make history and there are people here saying they're not going to watch it. They're entitled to do what they want. But in my opinion it's really dumb to miss out on a historic race because you dislike her campaign. History is history - and one way or another Sunday's race will be a race people will talk about for years to come.

Don't miss history because you hate a horse's campaign.

You must have been pretty excited about Pepper's Pride as well.

[smartbid09]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You must have been pretty excited about Pepper's Pride as well.

Not at all blackthroated...
Good way to avoid the point that this is going to be a race worth watching

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

Not at all blackthroated...
Good way to avoid the point that this is going to be a race worth watching

In my opinion every race is worth watching.

I didn't avoid any point....I just don't buy the manufactured hype. Good horses deserved to be campaigned as such. If connections don't believe in their horse why should I?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But these comments about Zenyatta are so weird to me. I am looking very forward to seeing Zenyatta run. She is attempting to make racing history sunday. Only one other horse in america will ever have won more races than Zenyatta while undefeated. That's Huge.

Zenyatta is not responsible for what races she runs in. She's a horse. On Sunday she will attempt to make history and there are people here saying they're not going to watch it. They're entitled to do what they want. But in my opinion it's really dumb to miss out on a historic race because you dislike her campaign. History is history - and one way or another Sunday's race will be a race people will talk about for years to come.

Don't miss history because you hate a horse's campaign.

There is a wide chasm between truly great achievement and notable achievement. In my eyes and the eyes of others who have at least some sense of the history of the sport this streak that she has been on is a really nice accomplishment. However simply beating up on the same group of mediocre fillies in the same fairly non-descript stakes over a synthetic surface just isn't in the same league as true greatness. This and her previous campaigns were seemingly contrived with only keeping this inane streak alive by rarely venturing out of the comfort zone of the California filly division.

The fact that she is carrying a little bit of weight gives the race a little bit of intrigue but the opponents that she is beating are non-descript to be kind. What further turns me off is the idea that she will continue to race in the same rut of races in her next start. Despite the older male division being terrible save a few horses the past few years, she has avoided running against those horses with one notable exception. They run a race called the Pacific Classic at Del Mar. If they insist on staying in CA then why not take a shot in there? Instead they want to make "history" and try to become the first three time winner of the Clement Hirsh. Oh boy now that is something that we all will look back on fondly.

If there is one thing that turns off people in regards to athletics, it is when talent is seemingly wasted. By continuing to take the low road Zenyatta's connections are wasting a chance to do something really special. And if she runs 3rd or worse in the Breeders Cup then everybody will look back and say was she really all that? And that is the sad part. One bad race can tarnish her reputation because despite all the wins and accomplishments, she has only one time stepped out of the box and that race that she won looks worse and worse with each passing flop of those who ran behind her that day.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is a wide chasm between truly great achievement and notable achievement. In my eyes and the eyes of others who have at least some sense of the history of the sport this streak that she has been on is a really nice accomplishment. However simply beating up on the same group of mediocre fillies in the same fairly non-descript stakes over a synthetic surface just isn't in the same league as true greatness. This and her previous campaigns were seemingly contrived with only keeping this inane streak alive by rarely venturing out of the comfort zone of the California filly division.

The fact that she is carrying a little bit of weight gives the race a little bit of intrigue but the opponents that she is beating are non-descript to be kind. What further turns me off is the idea that she will continue to race in the same rut of races in her next start. Despite the older male division being terrible save a few horses the past few years, she has avoided running against those horses with one notable exception. They run a race called the Pacific Classic at Del Mar. If they insist on staying in CA then why not take a shot in there? Instead they want to make "history" and try to become the first three time winner of the Clement Hirsh. Oh boy now that is something that we all will look back on fondly.

If there is one thing that turns off people in regards to athletics, it is when talent is seemingly wasted. By continuing to take the low road Zenyatta's connections are wasting a chance to do something really special. And if she runs 3rd or worse in the Breeders Cup then everybody will look back and say was she really all that? And that is the sad part. One bad race can tarnish her reputation because despite all the wins and accomplishments, she has only one time stepped out of the box and that race that she won looks worse and worse with each passing flop of those who ran behind her that day.

It reminds me of the year Dave Winfield became a singles hitter to try to win the batting title....or Wilt the assist leader. Only in her case they have already done that and are going for it again. At least in their cases people understood it was the end of their careers.

[parsixfarms]

Is Sheriffs so afraid of St. Trinians that he's running Zardana as a "rabbit" for Zenyatta in this race?