Talk about your bad beats.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Seriously, I did this for awhile..2-3 steps and he gets the whole panarama of play. He should've been willing to ask for help.

He wasnt out of position nor did he not see the play. Jesus, the guy blew the call and truthfully it is the absolute best thing that happened to Galarraga. Had he thrown a "typical" perfect game he would soon be forgotten like Len Barker or Mike Witt. Instead he has his own unique place in baseball history.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He wasnt out of position nor did he not see the play. Jesus, the guy blew the call and truthfully it is the absolute best thing that happened to Galarraga. Had he thrown a "typical" perfect game he would soon be forgotten like Len Barker or Mike Witt. Instead he has his own unique place in baseball history.

Yeah I do kind of agree, but think about all that money he is going to lose from those autograph shows 15-20 years down the road.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Yeah I do kind of agree, but think about all that money he is going to lose from those autograph shows 15-20 years down the road.

I think he will profit from this. It isnt as though Denny Martinez, Len Barker or Mike Witt are big names on the autograph curcuit. He will always be known as the guy who got screwed by the umps which led to MLB using replay. That is going to happen. Seriously who is going to be more remembered? This guy or Dallas Braden?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think he will profit from this. It isnt as though Denny Martinez, Len Barker or Mike Witt are big names on the autograph curcuit. He will always be known as the guy who got screwed by the umps which led to MLB using replay. That is going to happen. Seriously who is going to be more remembered? This guy or Dallas Braden?

Roy Halladay

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Roy Halladay

Halladay is a star. These other guys arent nor will they be. Though if the Phils dont turn the offense around Halladay will be missing the playoffs again!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Halladay is a star. These other guys arent nor will they be. Though if the Phils dont turn the offense around Halladay will be missing the playoffs again!

Phils bats go through streaks every year. This one is just a lot worse than usual! But I fully expect them to turn it around soon.. especially after Charlie absolutely ripped their heads off to the media yesterday. They usually respond to Charlie.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Phils bats go through streaks every year. This one is just a lot worse than usual! But I fully expect them to turn it around soon.. especially after Charlie absolutely ripped their heads off to the media yesterday. They usually respond to Charlie.

Well they are making the East more interesting for sure!

[PeteMugg]

Galarraga snowconed the ball and snapped his glove to secure the catch. At game speed I could see this appearing as a juggle. Throw in all that clumsy footwork and the whole thing just looked bad. Closest thing to an excuse that I can come up with for Joyce. That being said, I think Cannon is right, AG might parlay this into big bucks. A good ad man would have the two of them in a commercial together.

[Heels1989]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think he will profit from this. It isnt as though Denny Martinez, Len Barker or Mike Witt are big names on the autograph curcuit. He will always be known as the guy who got screwed by the umps which led to MLB using replay. That is going to happen. Seriously who is going to be more remembered? This guy or Dallas Braden?

Who's that?

Oh yeah - isnt he the guy that got pissed at Aroid for crossing over his mound?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Heels1989

Who's that?

Oh yeah - isnt he the guy that got pissed at Aroid for crossing over his mound?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think he will profit from this. It isnt as though Denny Martinez, Len Barker or Mike Witt are big names on the autograph curcuit. He will always be known as the guy who got screwed by the umps which led to MLB using replay. That is going to happen. Seriously who is going to be more remembered? This guy or Dallas Braden?

I was just about to type almost the exact same thing. In some ways, the ump did him a favor.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He wasnt out of position nor did he not see the play. Jesus, the guy blew the call and truthfully it is the absolute best thing that happened to Galarraga. Had he thrown a "typical" perfect game he would soon be forgotten like Len Barker or Mike Witt. Instead he has his own unique place in baseball history.

I guess we shouldn't base it on who threw it, but I agree. I'm not crying about a (so far) inconsistent guy going unrewarded for a freak job. If it was Carpenter, Oswalt etc., then it'd be different. I think people need to start to question why hitters aren't making this more rare. Bad calls have been around a while. Perfect games being thrown every couple of weeks should be a concern.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I guess we shouldn't base it on who threw it, but I agree. I'm not crying about a (so far) inconsistent guy going unrewarded for a freak job. If it was Carpenter, Oswalt etc., then it'd be different. I think people need to start to question why hitters aren't making this more rare. Bad calls have been around a while. Perfect games being thrown every couple of weeks should be a concern.

Did you see the lineup Cleveland fielded last night? If baseball could be translated to beyers, last nights game would have been a raw number of 114 but been published as a 78. Choo is the only player who could start for most major league teams.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Did you see the lineup Cleveland fielded last night? If baseball could be translated to beyers, last nights game would have been a raw number of 114 but been published as a 78. Choo is the only player who could start for most major league teams.

Then, ya also have an issue with the home plate umpire calling this 1st pitch to this hitter a strike. I mean wtf do people think this batter is swinging at this pitch that should of ended the game? He just stupid? No. The home plate umpire extended the strike zone on that 1st pitch. So, Gallaraga's Perfect Game was gunna be pretty much Cajun-Style. It's a bad call, but it's not as bad as it appears to be. Other than getting the foot on the bag in time, everything the Tigers did on that play was hurting their chances of getting the call their way. The ball easily beats the runner, but Gallaraga isn't on the base. He searches for the base. He finally finds it right before the runner hits the extreme (home plate) edge of the base. Can the ump actually see exactly when the runner hits that part of the base? What (at 1st) appears to be an easy out call, did become a little closer. He did find the bag in time, but (for some reason) he extends his search after he's stepped on the bag. He did not help himself on that play there. He was awkward. He played some part in faking the umpire out. There is some selling to get calls in this game. This pitcher needs to fake towards it being called his way. He just did not do that at all. I'm upset at umps blowing calls at 1st, but this is about average on the fk up scale. They really do blow calls (at 1st base especially) that are this easy. I remember Bruce Froeming (name?) umpiring his last game in his home town of Milwaukee. Guy blows an easy call at 1st base. There is something about those calls that makes it a real problem for them. Isn't it the only force play where the runner doesn't have to stay on the base after they touch it? I guess the overall speed involved is a big problem. I think they actually are a bit too close to the bag to call this as accurately as we'd like. These calls are pretty easy for most of us watching on T.V., and at full speed. There's a reason they can't get them done as easily as Joe Fan can. I think they must be too close to be able to judge when these 2 things are occuring. We can easily combine the two. They are struggling to do the same. They are watching two things, and comparing. We aren't. People calling these games usually get these 1st base calls right, too. The umps are struggling to do the same.

[golfer]

Overturning the call... Precedent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADXPLw_m5MQ

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by golfer

Overturning the call... Precedent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADXPLw_m5MQ

Not a judgement call. Plus Detroit didnt protest the game.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by golfer

Overturning the call... Precedent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADXPLw_m5MQ

If the umpire had done something against the rules it would be different. He didn't, he just missed a judgement call, happens every day. If it comes back in three weeks that the ump had a bet on their being a one hitter then I have no problem with them making it a perfect game. Short of that, no way.

[golfer]

I just wanted to bring up the Pine Tar Incident. Heard Peter Gammons on the Dan Patrick show today explain the origin of the pine tar rule, amazing story.

The rule was instituted in 1957 by Clark Griffith, it's sole purpose was to prevent players from dirtying up the balls in batting practice, making them unusable in games. That was it. The American League President's office didn't even know this until Gammons informed them. Thus the over-turning of the decision.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by golfer

I just wanted to bring up the Pine Tar Incident. Heard Peter Gammons on the Dan Patrick show today explain the origin of the pine tar rule, amazing story.

The rule was instituted in 1957 by Clark Griffith, it's sole purpose was to prevent players from dirtying up the balls in batting practice, making them unusable in games. That was it. The American League President's office didn't even know this until Gammons informed them. Thus the over-turning of the decision.

So Gammons played a part in a Yankees win being overturned? That is

George Steinbrenner just rolled over in his grave

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So Gammons played a part in a Yankees win being overturned? That is

George Steinbrenner just rolled over in his grave

he's dead?