Talk about your bad beats.

timmgirvan · #1 06-03-2010, 11:37 AM

umpire shoulda been moving towards second base to get the angle...lazy....he should be fined.

ateamstupid · #2 06-03-2010, 11:38 AM

MLB might be reviewing/overturning the call. While I'm sure baseball purists won't want to see that, it's the right thing to do, for both Galarraga and Joyce.

MaTH716 · #3 06-03-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

MLB might be reviewing/overturning the call. While I'm sure baseball purists won't want to see that, it's the right thing to do, for both Galarraga and Joyce.

Obviously it would be the right thing to do. The kid would get into the books where he deserves to be. But I'm not sure how I feel about it. The whole blown call deal took the starch out of the moment that he and the Tigers deserved. Also, I do think it's a dangerous precedent that MLB would be setting.

ninetoone · #4 06-03-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

MLB might be reviewing/overturning the call. While I'm sure baseball purists won't want to see that, it's the right thing to do, for both Galarraga and Joyce.

I agree with this.

Bigsmc · #5 06-03-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

MLB might be reviewing/overturning the call. While I'm sure baseball purists won't want to see that, it's the right thing to do, for both Galarraga and Joyce.

What about every other blow call? Changing this call would set a very dangerous precedent.

Let this play be the final push towards replay. Fix it going forward and move on.

ateamstupid · #6 06-03-2010, 12:23 PM

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What about every other blow call? Changing this call would set a very dangerous precedent.

Let this play be the final push towards replay. Fix it going forward and move on.

What about them? No one's asking for sweeping reviews. How often are calls like this made? It's the only way to remedy the situation. Instating replay doesn't give Galarraga his perfect game and it doesn't help Joyce overcome this red mark.

ninetoone · #7 06-03-2010, 12:29 PM

They need to make yesterday right AND make some changes for the future as well.

horseofcourse · #8 06-03-2010, 12:31 PM

What about the blown call in the bottom of the 8th that allowed Detroit to score 2 additional runs and make it 3-0 going to the 9th rather than 1-0??. Why is nobody talking about that?? Reversing the call would be the biggest travesty in the history of baseball. It would be disgraceful. You can't do it. Why not reverse the '85 Orta safe call and have a bunch of 60 year old men go replay the World Series from that point on...no?? A blown call is a blown call be it in the 2nd inning of a 12-0 game or with 2 outs in the 9th of a potential perfect game.

ninetoone · #9 06-03-2010, 12:37 PM

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What about the blown call in the bottom of the 8th that allowed Detroit to score 2 additional runs and make it 3-0 going to the 9th rather than 1-0??. Why is nobody talking about that?? Reversing the call would be the biggest travesty in the history of baseball. It would be disgraceful. You can't do it. Why not reverse the '85 Orta safe call and have a bunch of 60 year old men go replay the World Series from that point on...no?? A blown call is a blown call be it in the 2nd inning of a 12-0 game or with 2 outs in the 9th of a potential perfect game.

there's been 20 perfect games in MLB history. I'd say that makes it a little different.

horseofcourse · #10 06-03-2010, 12:49 PM

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there's been 20 perfect games in MLB history. I'd say that makes it a little different.

doesn't matter. There's been lots of blown calls. You simply can't reverse one single call based on when the blown call occurred. It is completely nonsensical in any debate on the subject. As others have said, use it to go to replay henceforth or accept it as a blown call as every other blown call in major league history has been accepted.

SniperSB23 · #11 06-03-2010, 12:56 PM

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there's been 20 perfect games in MLB history. I'd say that makes it a little different.

So now we want to add one with an asterisk?

Bigsmc · #12 06-03-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What about them? No one's asking for sweeping reviews. How often are calls like this made? It's the only way to remedy the situation. Instating replay doesn't give Galarraga his perfect game and it doesn't help Joyce overcome this red mark.

It is truly a shame Joey, but changing the outcome after the fact does not change the call. It happened, Joyce owned up to it and Galarraga has accepted the apology with class.

I am by no means a purist, but I don't want the Commissioner of any league stepping in and changing the outcome of a game. Selig is a doddering old fool, the less he influences the game the better.

satan's twin · #13 06-03-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

MLB might be reviewing/overturning the call. While I'm sure baseball purists won't want to see that, it's the right thing to do, for both Galarraga and Joyce.

It's not the right thing to do. It's horrible for Galarraga that he lost the perfecto, but there is no allowance in the rule book that says the commissioner can go back and change a call in the interest of fairness. Would the commish change the call if Galarraga was working on a one hitter and ended up with a two-hitter? No. Nor should he do it here. One of the most endearing elements of baseball is that it includes the errors and omissions of all its participants. Legends are created and remembered by just these kinds of mistakes. Far more memorable than pitching the 21st perfect game in baseball history will be the way Galarraga has responded: with humility, dignity and class.

includes the human element

MaTH716 · #14 06-03-2010, 11:41 AM

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umpire shoulda been moving towards second base to get the angle...lazy....he should be fined.

He couldn't, Miggy had to go to his right to get the ball. It was probably an easier play for the 2nd baseman who was behind Caberra. So there was really nowhere else Joyce could go without possibly interfering with the play.

timmgirvan · #15 06-03-2010, 11:50 AM

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He couldn't, Miggy had to go to his right to get the ball. It was probably an easier play for the 2nd baseman who was behind Caberra. So there was really nowhere else Joyce could go without possibly interfering with the play.

as long as he stayed behing the basepath/play he woulda be fine to get angle

MaTH716 · #16 06-03-2010, 11:54 AM

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as long as he stayed behing the basepath/play he woulda be fine to get angle

He was were he belonged. If for some reason he thought he was out of position he should have asked for help and then maybe the right call would have been made.

timmgirvan · #17 06-03-2010, 12:09 PM

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He was were he belonged. If for some reason he thought he was out of position he should have asked for help and then maybe the right call would have been made.

Seriously, I did this for awhile..2-3 steps and he gets the whole panarama of play. He should've been willing to ask for help.

Cannon Shell · #18 06-03-2010, 02:23 PM

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Seriously, I did this for awhile..2-3 steps and he gets the whole panarama of play. He should've been willing to ask for help.

He wasnt out of position nor did he not see the play. Jesus, the guy blew the call and truthfully it is the absolute best thing that happened to Galarraga. Had he thrown a "typical" perfect game he would soon be forgotten like Len Barker or Mike Witt. Instead he has his own unique place in baseball history.

MaTH716 · #19 06-03-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He wasnt out of position nor did he not see the play. Jesus, the guy blew the call and truthfully it is the absolute best thing that happened to Galarraga. Had he thrown a "typical" perfect game he would soon be forgotten like Len Barker or Mike Witt. Instead he has his own unique place in baseball history.

Yeah I do kind of agree, but think about all that money he is going to lose from those autograph shows 15-20 years down the road.

SCUDSBROTHER · #20 06-03-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He wasnt out of position nor did he not see the play. Jesus, the guy blew the call and truthfully it is the absolute best thing that happened to Galarraga. Had he thrown a "typical" perfect game he would soon be forgotten like Len Barker or Mike Witt. Instead he has his own unique place in baseball history.

I guess we shouldn't base it on who threw it, but I agree. I'm not crying about a (so far) inconsistent guy going unrewarded for a freak job. If it was Carpenter, Oswalt etc., then it'd be different. I think people need to start to question why hitters aren't making this more rare. Bad calls have been around a while. Perfect games being thrown every couple of weeks should be a concern.