ALL w/ ALL ??

[philcski]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Poor

Disagree. I think there's a good chance it does.

[ateamstupid]

It's actually a $380 investment, and I think there's at least a 50% chance of you showing a profit.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It's actually a $380 investment, and I think there's at least a 50% chance of you showing a profit.

For a 1$ bet. 20X19X1

760 for a 2....Pass

[tanner12oz]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

For a 1$ bet. 20X19X1

760 for a 2....Pass

you do know the average payout for the last 10 years is something like $1500 bucks right?

[letswastemoney]

I think you can toss the turf horses at least.

[randallscott35]

[quote=tanner12oz;640873]you do know the average payout for the last 10 years is something like $1500 bucks right?[/QUOTE

Yes, the median would be a better example here. You expect a Giac/Clos Arg exacta here? (That was what 9 grand or something) Quite a skew.

[tanner12oz]

[quote=randallscott35;640880]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

you do know the average payout for the last 10 years is something like $1500 bucks right?[/QUOTE

Yes, the median would be a better example here. You expect a Giac/Clos Arg exacta here? (That was what 9 grand or something) Quite a skew.

yeah obviously that is an extreme example and i dont think there is a high probability of that happening...i also think there is a high probability of both lookin at lucky and sidneys candy running out... something in the 10/1-20/1 over a 10/1-20/1 is what im expecting (average win price is $29 bucks past 10 years)

2009: Mine That Bird/Pioneerof the Nile $2,074.80
2008: Big Brown/Eight Belles $141.60
2007: Street Sense/Hard Spun $101.80
2006: Barbaro/Bluegrass Cat $587.00
2005: Giacomo/Closing Argument $9,814.80
2004: Smarty Jones/Lion Heart $65.20
2003: Funny Cide/Empire Maker $97.00
2002: War Emblem/Proud Citizen $1,300.80
2001: Monarchos/Invisible Ink $1,229.00
2000: Fusaichi Pegasus/Aptitude $66.00

[randallscott35]

I wouldn't be too happy if I bet 760 bucks and got back 150...but that's me.

[wapete]

Interesting cover all play... I looked at the number quickly and the average exacta from last 10 years is $1547. Once you throw out the $9800 2005 result the average payout is $628 or roughly 82% of your $2 exacta box to cover 20x19 ($760). Historically you can expect to lose ~ 18% on the bet which is about inline with exotic takeouts.

I guess the strategy is you're hoping for a 50-1 to hit the top 2. If so, you might as well just take the 4 horses that are ML 50-1+ and box each one individually with All others. Each key bx would be $76 so in total you would be out $304. This play would of hit the exacta in both 2005 and 2009. You should expect to either lose all $300 or win $2k+.

[quote=tanner12oz;640901]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

yeah obviously that is an extreme example and i dont think there is a high probability of that happening...i also think there is a high probability of both lookin at lucky and sidneys candy running out... something in the 10/1-20/1 over a 10/1-20/1 is what im expecting (average win price is $29 bucks past 10 years)

2009: Mine That Bird/Pioneerof the Nile $2,074.80
2008: Big Brown/Eight Belles $141.60
2007: Street Sense/Hard Spun $101.80
2006: Barbaro/Bluegrass Cat $587.00
2005: Giacomo/Closing Argument $9,814.80
2004: Smarty Jones/Lion Heart $65.20
2003: Funny Cide/Empire Maker $97.00
2002: War Emblem/Proud Citizen $1,300.80
2001: Monarchos/Invisible Ink $1,229.00
2000: Fusaichi Pegasus/Aptitude $66.00

[docicu3]

It may not be worth it in the exacta but buying a free square in the exotics has been very very good to me over the years in this race and the Preakness.

To get the benefit though you have to spend some money. Last year

All/1,2,15,16/1,2,15,16 paid 20K for $1 which I was lucky enough to have twice. Buying a wheel in these pools can be very very rewarding if you have a little luck and some knowledge that fills.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by docicu3

It may not be worth it in the exacta but buying a free square in the exotics has been very very good to me over the years in this race and the Preakness.

To get the benefit though you have to spend some money. Last year

All/1,2,15,16/1,2,15,16 paid 20K for $1 which I was lucky enough to have twice. Buying a wheel in these pools can be very very rewarding if you have a little luck and some knowledge that fills.

^^^ Thinly veiled redboard...


Just kidding, I know Doc had this beast... he took me to the Preakness last year because of it.

[MaTH716]

I'm thinking over a grand as well.

[slotdirt]

I don't know if the risk is worth the reward. Or something.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by philcski

Disagree. I think there's a good chance it does.

I think most of the lower priced horses will run their races minus SC so its not for me.

[kgar311]

What about all/all with the Oaks-Derby double, that's only a $280 investment and all you need is Blind Luck to get beat. That could be a huge payoff

[robfla]

Originally Posted by kgar311

What about all/all with the Oaks-Derby double, that's only a $280 investment and all you need is Blind Luck to get beat. That could be a huge payoff

$280 is for a buck. The DD would have to pay $560 to just break even... there are some throwouts

[EpBurns]

Im betting All/1,2/1,2 in the derby triple a nice little $36 investment!

[tanner12oz]

i think this is a good bet this year...im throwing around the idea...i will toss stately victor to save $20 bucks....think he has 0% chance on hitting the board

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

i think this is a good bet this year...im throwing around the idea...i will toss stately victor to save $20 bucks....think he has 0% chance on hitting the board

What odds you give me to show?
Ya know, since he has no shot.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by EpBurns

Im betting All/1,2/1,2 in the derby triple a nice little $36 investment!

Thats a good idea... though All/1,2 exacta box might have a bigger chance of scoring.