Roethlisberger

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by docicu3

At the risk of touching off a political nuclear explosion it should be said nonetheless that there is something wrong about this concept of a second layer of double jeopardy justice fueled and dictated by an employer who sanctions when the police have walked away from prosecution of Ben's behavior never mind enforcement.

Obviously I do not know what Ben has done, with whom and how much of it qualifies as decadent and/or immoral. If I had better access to exactly what went on perhaps I would feel differently but I have a problem when a punishment is levied when our judicial system did not feel that the standard for punishment had been clearly violated enough for even a TRIAL, never mind a finding reached that deems punishment appropriate for discussion.



I actually wish Ben would walk away and retire immediately and let the Steelers and the Commish scramble to explain how this turned into a lifetime vacation from the game and theft from Steeler fans of a pretty decent QB.

the double jeopardy model doesn't really fit here. and if it did, this would be more like triple jeopardy since the state declined to criminally prosecute him and all this followed.

think of it this way. if a doctor does something that jeopardizes their medical license, does the employer have no recourse outside whatever the state licensing board decides is appropriate?

do they have to keep employing that person?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

the double jeopardy model doesn't really fit here. and if it did, this would be more like triple jeopardy since the state declined to criminally prosecute him and all this followed.

think of it this way. if a doctor does something that jeopardizes their medical license, does the employer have no recourse outside whatever the state licensing board decides is appropriate?

do they have to keep employing that person?

I understand what your saying but in medicine it works the other way. If a doc does something outside of accepted practice patterns, the hospital pulls his privileges which forces the doc to comment on the events when he tries to renew his state license. A complaint filed is processed this way unless there is an immediate danger to the community like a guy who operates and drinks.

Hospitals are given tremendous latitude to police their nurses and docs. Rarely does a hospital face charges about how it disciplines docs and nurses

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by docicu3

I understand what your saying but in medicine it works the other way. If a doc does something outside of accepted practice patterns, the hospital pulls his privileges which forces the doc to comment on the events when he tries to renew his state license. A complaint filed is processed this way unless there is an immediate danger to the community like a guy who operates and drinks.

I know a doctor that was suspended for having an affair with a married patient (also treated spouse). There is nothing "illegal" about that is there?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I know a doctor that was suspended for having an affair with a married patient (also treated spouse). There is nothing "illegal" about that is there?

Yes actually it is illegal and he'll face criminal charges in most states......

[GBBob]

Ben not a leader? Good article..

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/n...ory?id=5132299

[randallscott35]

JJ Cooper
NFL Blogger
I have a friend who collects Pittsburgh Steelers Sports Illustrated covers. Whether it's the Super Bowl covers, Kordell Stewart on the NFL Preview or Frank Pollard rumbling against the 1984 Broncos, he frames it and hangs it on a wall in his Steelers' room.

Ben Roethlisberger is on the cover of this week's Sports Illustrated, but I'm not sure my friend will be framing this week's SI. In a story written by Jack McCallum that carries the headline of "The Hangover," Sports Illustrated spells out the tale of a quarterback who leaves countless people turned off by his arrogance.

If there is good news in the story for Roethlisberger, it's that there isn't much new reporting in this story. McCallum spells out in exacting detail some of the stories of Roethlisberger's feelings of entitlement -- skipping out on paying checks in restaurants, treating women with disrespect and generally acting like a lout -- but all of those stories had already been spelled out in ESPN's Outside The Lines' story on Roethlisberger. The story also gives details of the court case in Las Vegas and the accusations in Milledgeville, but those have been covered everywhere.

The one detail that hasn't been really covered elsewhere is that, just months after Ben Roethlisberger was nearly killed in a motorcycle accident while not wearing a helmet, he was caught on video riding his motorcycle again without a helmet. According to SI, the video didn't air only because it was recorded by KDKA-TV, the station which is the flagship station of the Steelers, and they buried it to avoid angering the Steelers (the station denies that such a tape ever existed).

So there are few new allegations against Roethlisberger, but that doesn't really matter. What this story does is reinforces what has become the narrative of Roethlisberger's story: He's an arrogant man who wanders through life asking "don't you know who I am?"

What's most significant is there is no competing narrative by Roethlisberger, his agent or any of his friends. There is no push-back to try to make the argument that Roethlisberger isn't that bad or that the stories are being exaggerated. And without any competing storyline, it's becoming accepted as the unquestioned truth. That doesn't mean that Roethlisberger can't turn his life around, and the argument could be made that having his boorish behavior called out may help push him to change, but it does mean that Roethlisberger has to accept a new role -- that as one of the most despised players in the NFL.

First he has to win back Steelers' fans. He can do that by changing his ways and winning football games, but he also has to know that winning back NFL fans nationally will be an almost impossible task. To do it, there will eventually have to be stories of "Roethlisberger, the changed man" to compete with all the stories of him being a nightmare to be around.