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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Cut the defense budget? What are we going to do - use spit balls in the next confrontation?!~ It's the one expense that the Constitution gives the federal goverment.

How about doing away with entitlement program that no one has ever paid into and cleaning up fraud and waste in the current government health care system. Do away with tort law and giveouts to illegal alliens.

actually, we could cut defense spending in half and still spend far, far more on our military than any other nation. i doubt we'd be reduced to spit balls.

hell, my personal arsenal is probably more powerful than a lot of 'armies'.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Danzig

actually, we could cut defense spending in half and still spend far, far more on our military than any other nation. i doubt we'd be reduced to spit balls.

hell, my personal arsenal is probably more powerful than a lot of 'armies'.

Perhaps you're too young to remember Reagan's build up of the military. Russia blinked. I'm an unapologetic Reagan conservative. Big military, small government, and a Flat Tax (edit: I mean Fair Tax. not Flat Tax) program.

There is corruption, graft, waste, and fraud in defense spending, but even if that was cleaned up, there would be no way that defense spending could be cut in half.

And, if your personal arsenal is that strong, Uncle Sam needs you.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Perhaps you're too young to remember Reagan's build up of the military. Russia blinked. I'm an unapologetic Reagan conservative. Big military, small government, and a Flat Tax program. Yes, philski, I know it was voted down 5 years ago, but the plan has been improved greatly since then.

There is corruption, graft, waste, and fraud in defense spending, but even if that was cleaned up, there would be no way that defense spending could be cut in half.

And, if your personal arsenal is that strong, Uncle Sam needs you.

But who are we trying to make blink? Counterterrorism efforts do not require big military, I think the fact that 9 years after 9/11 and over 8 years into our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan have proven that. We are no safer than we were on Sept 10th, 2001.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by philcski

But who are we trying to make blink? Counterterrorism efforts do not require big military, I think the fact that 9 years after 9/11 and over 8 years into our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan have proven that. We are no safer than we were on Sept 10th, 2001.

exactly. things have changed-everyone knows they can't stand toe to toe with us in a conventional war....but here we are, eight-nine years after we went to afganistan, and there we still are. reminds me of when england spent centuries trying to take over wales. a huge military power, but couldn't cow their much smaller neighbor who resorted to guerrilla tactics. it took eight castles and edward the first to finally do the deed...but i digress. lessons to be learned from that, as well as from the ussr making the attempt back in the day..

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Danzig

exactly. things have changed-everyone knows they can't stand toe to toe with us in a conventional war....but here we are, eight-nine years after we went to afganistan, and there we still are. reminds me of when england spent centuries trying to take over wales. a huge military power, but couldn't cow their much smaller neighbor who resorted to guerrilla tactics. it took eight castles and edward the first to finally do the deed...but i digress. lessons to be learned from that, as well as from the ussr making the attempt back in the day..

And the mighty Russia had to abandon Afganistan in defeat. The French has to leave Indo-China in defeat. America had to leave Viet Nam in defeat. But, we didn't have to leave Iraq in defeat. We did manage to get that genocide maniac hanged by the rafters and took out his maniac sons and virtually all of his henchmen. Good show, USA!

Afganistan is Obama's war. Take it up with him if you think he'll listen. That was one of the issue on his platform. Now he's stuck with it.

Get the heck out of that rock heap. Keep drones flying over and take out poppy fields when they're found. The country is a lost cause. Fred and Wilma Flintstone would turn their nose up at living there.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

And the mighty Russia had to abandon Afganistan in defeat. The French has to leave Indo-China in defeat. America had to leave Viet Nam in defeat. But, we didn't have to leave Iraq in defeat. We did manage to get that genocide maniac hanged by the rafters and took out his maniac sons and virtually all of his henchmen. Good show, USA!

Afganistan is Obama's war. Take it up with him if you think he'll listen. That was one of the issue on his platform. Now he's stuck with it.

Get the heck out of that rock heap. Keep drones flying over and take out poppy fields when they're found. The country is a lost cause. Fred and Wilma Flintstone would turn their nose up at living there.

It's definitely Bush's war, as he had planned on invading prior to 9/11. Obama campaigned to move troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan, which I thought was simply a ploy to gain votes from war apologists. I agree the right move would be to get the heck out of there because it's like Vietnam, we can't win.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4587368/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul.../na-campaign16

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Bill doesn't spew hate and bitterness in any way. Let's get that straight right now.

Where did I saw we spend as much on illegals as we do for Israel. I said that I'd rather see money spent or sent to Israel than supporting illegal alliens.

I don't know what the numbers are as to the cost of supporting illegal alliens - taking into consideration the money they make, if they are working, that doesn't get spent in this country.

The cost to the federal government was estimated at $10.4 billion according to the Center for Immigration Studies' (a group that advocates tougher immigration rules) report in 2004. Even if we grow that number by (an absurd) 50% for the 5 fiscal years since, that's $16 billion. We spent $28 billion on Israel last year.

I'd rather all the money like this be spent right here in the USA.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by philcski

It's definitely Bush's war, as he had planned on invading prior to 9/11. Obama campaigned to move troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan, which I thought was simply a ploy to gain votes from war apologists. I agree the right move would be to get the heck out of there because it's like Vietnam, we can't win.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4587368/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul.../na-campaign16

The cost to the federal government was estimated at $10.4 billion according to the Center for Immigration Studies' (a group that advocates tougher immigration rules) report in 2004. Even if we grow that number by (an absurd) 50% for the 5 fiscal years since, that's $16 billion. We spent $28 billion on Israel last year.

I'd rather all the money like this be spent right here in the USA.

Well, obviously BO was dead on serious about Afganistan. Wonder why Cindy Sheehan isn't beating her gums about it. She's off preaching to 100 people audiences about the bad Catholics who won't let her talk in their churches. Despicable woman.

But, I digress.

That's a plan, philcski - keep all our money at home. The USA becomes isolationist. Pull all the troops from every country in the world. Do away with aid to any country. Screw 'em. If they have a tsunami, an earthquake, a volcano eruption, flood, famine, whatever, let them work out their problems - 99 chances out of 100 they don't appreciate us for anything we do. We're the rich old, ugly, aunt who can afford it, and we don't give enough away or do enough anyway.

Build up the military. Close the borders. Point a nuclear missile at any country that so much as looks at us crosseyed.

That's what we'd have to do if we start pulling money away and stopped supporting and defending the few allies we have left.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Perhaps you're too young to remember Reagan's build up of the military. Russia blinked. I'm an unapologetic Reagan conservative. Big military, small government, and a Flat Tax program. Yes, philski, I know it was voted down 5 years ago, but the plan has been improved greatly since then.

There is corruption, graft, waste, and fraud in defense spending, but even if that was cleaned up, there would be no way that defense spending could be cut in half.

And, if your personal arsenal is that strong, Uncle Sam needs you.

lol
i served in then navy when reagan was commander in chief. as for military spending, you need to look up how many billions more we spend than the next closest guy. considering our allies, such as where we stand with nato, etc, there's no need to spend quite as much as what we do. i'm a military fan, my husband, oldest son, and myself are vets. my youngest son leaves for bootcamp in january. however, we spend astronomical amounts compared to our enemies-and we could certainly scale back. am i saying not have the largest, or most advanced? not at all. we could still have that, maybe just not ten times over.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
i served in then navy when reagan was commander in chief. as for military spending, you need to look up how many billions more we spend than the next closest guy. considering our allies, such as where we stand with nato, etc, there's no need to spend quite as much as what we do. i'm a military fan, my husband, oldest son, and myself are vets. my youngest son leaves for bootcamp in january. however, we spend astronomical amounts compared to our enemies-and we could certainly scale back. am i saying not have the largest, or most advanced? not at all. we could still have that, maybe just not ten times over.

Perhaps if the USA resorted to terrorism, we wouldn't have to spend somuch money.

Kidding aside, every two bit nation in the world is looking to unseat the top dog - us. That's why we have to have the biggest and the mightiest. I do, however, think you missed what I said about cleaning up waste, graft, corruption, and overspending. But, even if we did that - we couldn't cut the budget in half - not with the escalation of prices and the cost of new technology needed to keep up and current.

My father (Navy) died at Pearl Habor. My husband's father (Marine) died at Iwo Jima. My brother (Army) died in Nam. My husband served two tours of duty as a US Marine in Nam as a tank commander and was seriously wounded. Not bragging - just letting you know where my family and loved ones came from and went to.

Thank you, your husband, and your sons for your military service. There is nothing more honorable than serving one's country.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Perhaps if the USA resorted to terrorism, we wouldn't have to spend somuch money.

Kidding aside, every two bit nation in the world is looking to unseat the top dog - us. That's why we have to have the biggest and the mightiest. I do, however, think you missed what I said about cleaning up waste, graft, corruption, and overspending. But, even if we did that - we couldn't cut the budget in half - not with the escalation of prices and the cost of new technology needed to keep up and current.

My father (Navy) died at Pearl Habor. My husband's father (Marine) died at Iwo Jima. My brother (Army) died in Nam. My husband served two tours of duty as a US Marine in Nam as a tank commander and was seriously wounded. Not bragging - just letting you know where my family and loved ones came from and went to.

Thank you, your husband, and your sons for your military service. There is nothing more honorable than serving one's country.

I commend your family for the years they have given in protecting this great country of ours.