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[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from. However, I do equate both terms on the same level. Calling a black person the "N" word and calling someone the "R" word is all about HATE.

Wouldn't you admit that it is sometimes accurate - and therefore perfectly acceptable - to call a person a racist?
Do you think it is ever acceptable to call a person a n****r?
If not, does it really make sense to equate the two?

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Wouldn't you admit that it is sometimes accurate - and therefore perfectly acceptable - to call a person a racist?
Do you think it is ever acceptable to call a person a n****r?
If not, does it really make sense to equate the two?

I've already stated that falsely labelling someone a racist is all about HATE and a total misunderstanding of what the words "racist" and "racism" truly mean.

Saying a Nazi, a member of the KKK, a member of the Aryan Nation, or any hate group is a racist is accurate.

The "N" word is a despicable word. It was even way back when I was a kid growing up many decades ago. I find it incongruous that some black people use that word frequently - even in rap songs.

[Danzig]

i don't think calling someone racist who exhibits all the traits of being one is about hate. i do however find racist or sexist slurs to be exclusively about hate.
i find it funny when one side says the other is a kool aid drinker, but their side is all about the truth. if both sides say that, don't they cancel each other out??? democrat supporters say the exact same thing as republican supporters-and vice versa, it's really hilarious. bush was destroying the country, and now obama is the evil puppet on a string. obama supporters quickly say it's not all obamas fault when things go wrong, but it's all because of him when things go right-but they said all things bad were bushes fault, and that he did nothing right when he was in there. nothing original about any of this. but each side is sooo adamant about their party being the correct one.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think calling someone racist who exhibits all the traits of being one is about hate. i do however find racist or sexist slurs to be exclusively about hate.
i find it funny when one side says the other is a kool aid drinker, but their side is all about the truth. if both sides say that, don't they cancel each other out??? democrat supporters say the exact same thing as republican supporters-and vice versa, it's really hilarious. bush was destroying the country, and now obama is the evil puppet on a string. obama supporters quickly say it's not all obamas fault when things go wrong, but it's all because of him when things go right-but they said all things bad were bushes fault, and that he did nothing right when he was in there. nothing original about any of this. but each side is sooo adamant about their party being the correct one.

It seems that the words "racist" and "racism" have taken on a new meaning - any form of criticism toward a minority is now considered racism.

I also find it incongruous when someone brings up the subject of disrespecting the current President when it was perfectly alright to disrespect the previous President. Double standards run amuk.

No - there is nothing original about any of any name calling or accusations from either side.

My attempt to point out that calling someone a racist is a terrible accusation unless they truly are according to the true meaning of the word is falling on a lot of deaf ears.

WEBSTER's definition:

racism definition rac·ism (rā′siz′əm) (and anyone who practices racism is a racist)

noun

1.belief in or doctrine asserting racial differences in character, intelligence, etc. and the superiority of one race over another or others: racist doctrine also, typically, seeks to maintain the supposed purity of a race or the races
2.any program or practice of racial discrimination, segregation, etc., specif., such a program or practice that upholds the political or economic domination of one race over another or others
3.feelings or actions of hatred and bigotry toward a person or persons because of their race

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

??? Timmi, your contention was, "Health reform(even CBO says it's unsustainable)"

The article you quote above is talking about the general budget, and appears to be written before healthcare reform even passed. There is nothing in there that supports your contention. Doesn't even mention it that I can find.

The CBO analysis on the final healthcare reform bill that was passed says it will cut the federal budget deficit by 1.2 trillion in the second 10 years.

That fact was well-publicized (except by Faux News) when the final healthcare reform bill passed.

That's like a person going shopping spending 100,000 dollars on a boat, then crowing about "saving" 1,200 bucks on the trim.
The fact is that burying the country with so much additional debt before the
"expansion matures" is ludicrous.

[clyde]

Dispencer.......can it already.





OK?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

No, timm, your beliefs are generally all things wrong to me, not the fact that you're privileged....because as far as I can tell, the fact that you believe in god and you're a heterosexual are the only two things on which at this point in my life, I'm less privileged than you are, so I'm privileged beyond belief compared to lots of people in our country.

But you don't understand the concept of privilege at all, and your post shows that in about 16 different spots. Hard work, parentage, blah blah, they are *not* privilege. Generally people react very poorly to having privilege, as you've done here. If you honestly want to understand it (and I realize this is likely a lost cause before i even start asking), I'd be more than happy to PM with you and share links so you'd at least understand what privilege is, and from there decide whether you want to deny the fact that you have tons of it. You don't have to feel guilty or defensive about having it, which is what I was trying to get at with what I considered a very kind, fair response, but it seems you do intuitively feel guilty and defensive about it, based on your rather rancid response.

Otherwise, it's cool, nothing has changed

So PM me! There's definately a disconnect somewhere. I am upset that you consider a kind and fair respone to be my intimating that you're a whining queer(or something like that)and should just shut up. I have no guilt about being white and heterosexual! How is that privilege? Are you getting cosmic on me,Brian?

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by philcski

Explain to me what you mean by Fair Tax. It's almost an oxymoron- since there's so many ways to generate and slice the pie.

The 2010 budget has $53 billion for international affairs, of which 50%(!!!) is appropriated for Israel- $4,000 per person in Israel! .

Fair Tax? You're asking what I mean by the Fair Tax? Wonderful book - answers all the questions. If you can't afford to buy it, I'll lend you my copy provided you promise to give it back. Or better still, I'll buy you a copy. Just let me know if you TRULY are interested in becoming educated on the Fair Tax. It'll do away with the IRS instead of adding thousands to the payroll to monitor who has the BO Healthcare plan.

http://www.amazon.com/FairTax-Book-N.../dp/0060875410

But, the Dems in power don't want a Fair Tax because they won't be able to control how much tax people choose to pay. The Healthcare program has nothing to do with healthcare. It's all about control and everything that Obama is proposing "for the good of the American people" is all about control.

Re Israel - I'd rather pay the money to support them than the thousands upon thousands of illegal alliens that are in this country contributing largely to the national deficit.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Fair Tax? You're asking what I mean by the Fair Tax? Wonderful book - answers all the questions. If you can't afford to buy it, I'll lend you my copy provided you promise to give it back. Or better still, I'll buy you a copy. Just let me know if you TRULY are interested in becoming educated on the Fair Tax. It'll do away with the IRS instead of adding thousands to the payroll to monitor who has the BO Healthcare plan.

http://www.amazon.com/FairTax-Book-N.../dp/0060875410

But, the Dems in power don't want a Fair Tax because they won't be able to control how much tax people choose to pay. The Healthcare program has nothing to do with healthcare. It's all about control and everything that Obama is proposing "for the good of the American people" is all about control.

Re Israel - I'd rather pay the money to support them than the thousands upon thousands of illegal alliens that are in this country contributing largely to the national deficit.

The cost of illegal aliens in this country is less than what we spend on Israel.



Boortz- yes, I like this guy a lot. Of all the numnuts on the radio spewing their wacky views he's one of the few I feel aligned with on just about every issue. I know about the Fair Tax plan and think it's a great idea... which will never pass. I drew a blank because it was 5 years ago when I last heard about it...

But Doreen, to blame it on Dems is FACTUALLY INCORRECT. The bill was introduced in 2005 to the 109th Congress... which was a REPUBLICAN MAJORITY in both houses, and was voted down.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

It's a horrible accusation - calling someone a racist. Not only is it akin to calling a black person the "N" word, it's akin to calling someone a Nazi. A racist is all about hate and thinking they're better than anyone else. It has a meaning all its own. If you can't figure that out, then you're just too lazy to find a better word to call someone who doesn't agree with your opinions about the vaunted PREZBO.

At least when you're talking to me, you're the only one talking about Obama. I don't give a fig about Obama in this conversation, just your absolutely looney, offensive idea that the word "racist" is the same as the "N" word. You know what I'm too lazy to find a better word for? Racists. So "racist" will do. It has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with calling racists what they are.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

some people get very offended when they are called a racist and they are not actually a racist.

Of course I dont think its on the same level as calling a black person the "n" word.. but both parties get offended when being called those terms.

I think that is what she was referring to.

Yea, you know who especially hates being called a racist? Racists. Just like you may be aware of the people who especially hate being called homophobes are? The most hateful homophobes out there take the biggest offense from it.

And all this "oh it's the same thing" trash is just a great way to try to turn racism back around on the people who are calling it out and trying to marginalize them by making *them* look like the crazy ones. To somehow say that you can't be a racist if you don't wear a hood or belong to the Aryan Nation is positively ridiculous....much like 97% of the words Doreen has posted in this thread in an attempt to excuse racism.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Not my problem you cant except the truth.

WTF? This makes no sense.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Yea, you know who especially hates being called a racist? Racists. Just like you may be aware of the people who especially hate being called homophobes are? The most hateful homophobes out there take the biggest offense from it.

Truth

And the most hateful homophobes often are closeted gays.

[GenuineRisk]

[Princess Doreen]

BWS - I wish I could get angry at you, but the only emotion I can come up with is pity. You're too full of hatred yourself which makes you think everyone else suffers from the same emotion.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Saying a Nazi, a member of the KKK, a member of the Aryan Nation, or any hate group is a racist is accurate.

True, but it is really inaccurate to limit racism to members of those groups. Are there people who believe racist things, or who sometimes behave in racist ways that are associated with the Tea Party movement but aren't a part of any of these groups? You bet. Everybody who is a thinking person knows that.
But it goes a lot farther than that. There are a lot of people I know who have said some pretty racist things over the years who voted FOR Obama. They would never consider themselves racist, and I know some who would love to point to their vote for Obama as some sort of "get out of racism free" card. But none of that changes the fact that they view the world - at least in part - through a prism of racism. That doesn't mean they won't vote for a guy because they consider him "black," or that they would refuse to work with a person they consider "black," or that they are going to be attending a Klan meeting anytime soon, but it does mean that race and racism plays a role in their lives.
I bet there are a lot of "white" people who voted for Obama and hate the Klan, but would still be somewhat disturbed or bothered if their son or daughter decided to marry a person they considered "black." Those people aren't frothing-at-the-mouth racists, but would a term like "not a racist bone in their body" apply to them? I don't think so.
The world is not neatly divided into people who wear sheets on their heads and people who are "not racist." It would be nice if it worked that way....but it doesn't. These are complicated issues, and racism continues to play a huge role in society, although in much subtler ways than it did in the nineteenth or twentieth centuries.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

BWS - I wish I could get angry at you, but the only emotion I can come up with is pity. You're too full of hatred yourself which makes you think everyone else suffers from the same emotion.

I've always thought it was clear that saying you pity someone is the same as calling someone the N word...I can't believe you did that.

The fact that you equate descriptive words used to describe a person's actions with those words used to marginalize entire groups of people for hundreds of years is hilarious...or it would be if it wasn't so pathetic. I assume you think the words "talkative," "thoughtful," and "friendly" are the same as the N word too? Because they are no different than the word "racist." They are descriptors used to describe someone....and Doreen, if the shoe fits, wear it.

I want a crutch too!!

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I've always thought it was clear that saying you pity someone is the same as calling someone the N word...I can't believe you did that.

The fact that you equate descriptive words used to describe a person's actions with those words used to marginalize entire groups of people for hundreds of years is hilarious...or it would be if it wasn't so pathetic. I assume you think the words "talkative," "thoughtful," and "friendly" are the same as the N word too? Because they are no different than the word "racist." They are descriptors used to describe someone....and Doreen, if the shoe fits, wear it.

I'm not here to try and chip through your cubic yard of cerebral concrete. You have your opinions and views on the ills of America, and I have mine. But, you really are a very hateful person, and you should seek professional attention.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

wow..running away from this one..

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I want a crutch too!!

LOL!