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[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Timm, if that's what was in your heart when you asked, I can only take your word for it. For future reference, please don't *ever* assume that I'm speaking for anyone but myself, whether I'm offering up thoughts or questions...I don't speak for anyone greater than myself, and I'll continue to assume with you, like I assume about every individual, that their words are meant to only speak for themselves, rather than for some group they may or may not belong to.

And it's not "pigeonholing" you to say that you're privileged. I'm ridiculously privileged myself, just perhaps less so than you, but that's not a dig. Recognizing that is important to me, and I'm very well aware of the areas in which I'm privileged, and it's not pigeonholing me to realize them. However, my point in that last paragraph is that privileged groups very often do use silencing tactics, and they aren't even aware of it. I've done it in the past, you did it earlier in this thread. It's a no harm, no foul situation if people are willing to examine it, but I've found that most people are not willing to examine it and are happier going blissfully along reaping the benefits of their privilege while silencing others based on their lack of it, which is what you more or less did earlier in this thread by making it sound like if only I wasn't such a hysterical queer, I wouldn't make an analogy using gay people, despite the fact that said analogy was perfectly apt, and still hasn't been refuted.

I don't know how you figure that I'm privileged. And from that assumption,I must be all things wrong to you,right?
Brian, as far as I'm concerned the last half of your post is totally inappropriate! Is SEIU privleged when they steamroll people in an open forum? They've done that. Liberal backed thugs. Is that what you want for an open and frank discussion? I worked 30 yrs as a Teamster in grocery whse. But their liberal drivel and voter suggestions never ceased to show up every month at my door. Please tell me what rewards I've reaped, other than by parentage or work.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I don't know how you figure that I'm privileged. And from that assumption,I must be all things wrong to you,right?
Brian, as far as I'm concerned the last half of your post is totally inappropriate! Is SEIU privleged when they steamroll people in an open forum? They've done that. Liberal backed thugs. Is that what you want for an open and frank discussion? I worked 30 yrs as a Teamster in grocery whse. But their liberal drivel and voter suggestions never ceased to show up every month at my door. Please tell me what rewards I've reaped, other than by parentage or work.

No, timm, your beliefs are generally all things wrong to me, not the fact that you're privileged....because as far as I can tell, the fact that you believe in god and you're a heterosexual are the only two things on which at this point in my life, I'm less privileged than you are, so I'm privileged beyond belief compared to lots of people in our country.

But you don't understand the concept of privilege at all, and your post shows that in about 16 different spots. Hard work, parentage, blah blah, they are *not* privilege. Generally people react very poorly to having privilege, as you've done here. If you honestly want to understand it (and I realize this is likely a lost cause before i even start asking), I'd be more than happy to PM with you and share links so you'd at least understand what privilege is, and from there decide whether you want to deny the fact that you have tons of it. You don't have to feel guilty or defensive about having it, which is what I was trying to get at with what I considered a very kind, fair response, but it seems you do intuitively feel guilty and defensive about it, based on your rather rancid response.

Otherwise, it's cool, nothing has changed

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

No, timm, your beliefs are generally all things wrong to me, not the fact that you're privileged....because as far as I can tell, the fact that you believe in god and you're a heterosexual are the only two things on which at this point in my life, I'm less privileged than you are, so I'm privileged beyond belief compared to lots of people in our country.

But you don't understand the concept of privilege at all, and your post shows that in about 16 different spots. Hard work, parentage, blah blah, they are *not* privilege. Generally people react very poorly to having privilege, as you've done here. If you honestly want to understand it (and I realize this is likely a lost cause before i even start asking), I'd be more than happy to PM with you and share links so you'd at least understand what privilege is, and from there decide whether you want to deny the fact that you have tons of it. You don't have to feel guilty or defensive about having it, which is what I was trying to get at with what I considered a very kind, fair response, but it seems you do intuitively feel guilty and defensive about it, based on your rather rancid response.

Otherwise, it's cool, nothing has changed

So PM me! There's definately a disconnect somewhere. I am upset that you consider a kind and fair respone to be my intimating that you're a whining queer(or something like that)and should just shut up. I have no guilt about being white and heterosexual! How is that privilege? Are you getting cosmic on me,Brian?