Glenn Beck

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

787 billion and you see a job on the way to work! And I got nothing?

France,Britain,Israel,Turkey,Afghanistan,Australia have serious problems with us,and our "New Attitude"
If you choose to believe that we're saving 1.2 tril, I've got some land to sell ya. Face it,Riot...you gone over to the dark side.

"Believe"? I'm quoting the CBO.

Dark side? Naw. Refusing to associate with the dark side. Distancing myself from the preponderance of far right-wing wingnuts currently populating and claiming to represent GOP world. I think the GOP in it's current incarnation is dead and done as a political force for many, many years to come.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Timm, if that's what was in your heart when you asked, I can only take your word for it. For future reference, please don't *ever* assume that I'm speaking for anyone but myself, whether I'm offering up thoughts or questions...I don't speak for anyone greater than myself, and I'll continue to assume with you, like I assume about every individual, that their words are meant to only speak for themselves, rather than for some group they may or may not belong to.

And it's not "pigeonholing" you to say that you're privileged. I'm ridiculously privileged myself, just perhaps less so than you, but that's not a dig. Recognizing that is important to me, and I'm very well aware of the areas in which I'm privileged, and it's not pigeonholing me to realize them. However, my point in that last paragraph is that privileged groups very often do use silencing tactics, and they aren't even aware of it. I've done it in the past, you did it earlier in this thread. It's a no harm, no foul situation if people are willing to examine it, but I've found that most people are not willing to examine it and are happier going blissfully along reaping the benefits of their privilege while silencing others based on their lack of it, which is what you more or less did earlier in this thread by making it sound like if only I wasn't such a hysterical queer, I wouldn't make an analogy using gay people, despite the fact that said analogy was perfectly apt, and still hasn't been refuted.

I don't know how you figure that I'm privileged. And from that assumption,I must be all things wrong to you,right?
Brian, as far as I'm concerned the last half of your post is totally inappropriate! Is SEIU privleged when they steamroll people in an open forum? They've done that. Liberal backed thugs. Is that what you want for an open and frank discussion? I worked 30 yrs as a Teamster in grocery whse. But their liberal drivel and voter suggestions never ceased to show up every month at my door. Please tell me what rewards I've reaped, other than by parentage or work.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Believe"? I'm quoting the CBO.

Dark side? Naw. Refusing to associate with the dark side. Distancing myself from the preponderance of far right-wing wingnuts currently populating and claiming to represent GOP world. I think the GOP in it's current incarnation is dead and done as a political force for many, many years to come.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-to-90-of-gdp/

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I don't know how you figure that I'm privileged. And from that assumption,I must be all things wrong to you,right?
Brian, as far as I'm concerned the last half of your post is totally inappropriate! Is SEIU privleged when they steamroll people in an open forum? They've done that. Liberal backed thugs. Is that what you want for an open and frank discussion? I worked 30 yrs as a Teamster in grocery whse. But their liberal drivel and voter suggestions never ceased to show up every month at my door. Please tell me what rewards I've reaped, other than by parentage or work.

No, timm, your beliefs are generally all things wrong to me, not the fact that you're privileged....because as far as I can tell, the fact that you believe in god and you're a heterosexual are the only two things on which at this point in my life, I'm less privileged than you are, so I'm privileged beyond belief compared to lots of people in our country.

But you don't understand the concept of privilege at all, and your post shows that in about 16 different spots. Hard work, parentage, blah blah, they are *not* privilege. Generally people react very poorly to having privilege, as you've done here. If you honestly want to understand it (and I realize this is likely a lost cause before i even start asking), I'd be more than happy to PM with you and share links so you'd at least understand what privilege is, and from there decide whether you want to deny the fact that you have tons of it. You don't have to feel guilty or defensive about having it, which is what I was trying to get at with what I considered a very kind, fair response, but it seems you do intuitively feel guilty and defensive about it, based on your rather rancid response.

Otherwise, it's cool, nothing has changed

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-to-90-of-gdp/

??? Timmi, your contention was, "Health reform(even CBO says it's unsustainable)"

The article you quote above is talking about the general budget, and appears to be written before healthcare reform even passed. There is nothing in there that supports your contention. Doesn't even mention it that I can find.

The CBO analysis on the final healthcare reform bill that was passed says it will cut the federal budget deficit by 1.2 trillion in the second 10 years.

That fact was well-publicized (except by Faux News) when the final healthcare reform bill passed.

Just hope and pray, Spinderella, that the 10 million seniors who will be forced out of the medicare advantage program in the next few years don't punish your hero in 2012.

Going from a maximum out of pocket per year of 3-10k to 20% unlimited will shirley piss a few million of them off.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Just hope and pray, Spinderella, that the 10 million seniors who will be forced out of the medicare advantage program in the next few years don't punish your hero in 2012.

Going from a maximum out of pocket per year of 3-10k to 20% unlimited will shirley piss a few million of them off.

I hear the insurance industry whining ... and desperately playing loopholes and the blame game as their free ride subsidies for MA from the government have been cut off.

Originally Posted by Riot

I hear the insurance industry whining ... and desperately playing loopholes and the blame game as their free ride subsidies for MA from the government have been cut off.

Yet these "bad" plans cover over 10 million seniors enrolled with premiums ranging for $0 - $150/month with low max out of pockets, no-cost preventative care, low co-pays, gym memberships etc.

Yeah that won't piss a few million of them off. And really truth be told that generation never bases their votes for selfish reasons...they're more concerned about the younger generation. I'm sure they'll be more concerned with the insurance companies making a profit in a capitalist society. They'll gladly take the hit in their pocketbooks for the greater good.

Hand me the rose-coloured glasses.

Or Amnesty. That should do it.

God Bless The New America sponsored by The Vatican.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

It's really unfortunate how much the words "racist" and "racism" are bandied about. They have lost their meaning since the stridently liberal, left wing media has gotten hold of the words and accuses everyone of being a racist who doesn't fall into lockstep with the liberal left. The overuse of the words has rubbed off on the members of the left and Obama supporters who still don't have a clue as to how dangerous this man is to America. Sliding slightly off topic here - he sure is giving the shaft to one of our staunchest allies - Israel. Maybe he thinks the terrorist nations will like us better. HAH!

Back on the subject of racism. I'd like to give a little lesson in simple English definitions. Calling someone a racist is as bad as calling a black person the "N" word. The word "racism" has to be put into its proper perspective. Members of the KKK, The Aryan Nation, and other such "hate" groups are racists - not the Tea Party members, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, conservatives, or anyone who has the temerity to criticize PREZBO.

Racism is a belief that one race is superior to all others.
I hate black people. I wish they would all die.
That's racism.

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.
Black people like watermelon and fried chicken.
That's bigotry

Prejudice is an opinion without any means of support.
All black people hurt the economy.
That's prejudice

Discrimination is treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit.
I'd never hire a black person
That's discrimination

So, let's give the words "racism" and "racist" a rest and think long and hard about who you wish to accuse of being one or practicing it.

Further, I haven't heard anytime or read anywhere where Limbaugh, Boortz, Hannity, or Beck can be accused of bigotry, prejudice, or discrimination - much less racism.

Sorry for the soapbox, but my blood boils when I hear people who don't deserve the indignity being accused of racism or being called a racist. It's ignorance and/or stupidity in its highest form.

Queen Doreen..you sure throw around generalities for someone who is obviously in tune to only those you follow. I'm sorry your blood boils ( my heart goes out to you) when one of your racist right wingers is called what he/she is. Face it...you don't hate Obama because he is black..you hate him because you are told to.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by philcski

I'd love to know why you say this.

I still haven't got an answer from Nascar why he says the same thing.

Not my problem you cant except the truth.

[herkhorse]

accept

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obsessed? No. I'm seriously concerned about a public radio figure who has degenerated over the years from expressing conservative views to spewing hate and racism over public airways.

Didn't you say you hadn't listened to him for the past 10 years?!~

"Be impeccable with your word. Speak with integrity."

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I am speaking for me in wondering how much P. Doreen wants to own the entirely racist idea that "calling someone a racist is the same as calling a black person the 'N' word."

No more, no less.

Sorry to be so late back at the party, but I have to sleep sometime.

It's a horrible accusation - calling someone a racist. Not only is it akin to calling a black person the "N" word, it's akin to calling someone a Nazi. A racist is all about hate and thinking they're better than anyone else. It has a meaning all its own. If you can't figure that out, then you're just too lazy to find a better word to call someone who doesn't agree with your opinions about the vaunted PREZBO.

Obama is a terrible President. He's dragging this country down to 3rd World level. That's how I view it. But, somehow, someway, the bootlickers who cling steadily to this snake oil salesman will spin it into saying my underlying meaning is that I'm a racist. Why? Because that's the lowest blow they can deliver - they have no other weapon.

What is probably the worst part about President Obama is that he is creating a chasm between the political parties and citizens of this nation - far worse than any President I have ever lived through.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

accept

He knot bee two grate at duh spellin thang.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Queen Doreen..you sure throw around generalities for someone who is obviously in tune to only those you follow. I'm sorry your blood boils ( my heart goes out to you) when one of your racist right wingers is called what he/she is. Face it...you don't hate Obama because he is black..you hate him because you are told to.

Don't be so willing to send out something you seem to lack - heart, that is. And, thanks for the promotion - from a Princess to a Queen - overnight!

I don't care if our President is pink with lavender polka dots and worships a jar of mayonnaise so long as he does what's best for the country and listens to the will and desires of the people - not just those looking for someone to continually bail them out of their own bad decisions.

As to the healthcare issue. Yes it desperately needs reform - just not what he's proposing. I don't want to see unfortunate people go without healthcare. I would personally agree to pay an extra percent or two in taxes to help pay for a healthcare plan for people who can't afford it or can't obtain it. And, I don't understand why a healthcare package for these people can't be paid for out of the stimulus package. I just don't like what's going to happen to my healthcare as a result of this plan. Just got a letter from my GP - he's closing his practice at the end of thise year, and I'm going to play hell finding another doctor who will take on another Medicare patient. The ER's will be devoid of people without healthcare only to be replaced by senior citizens who can't find a doctor who will accept Medicare. There's some scary stuff going on out there, and it's only going to get worse.

Obama is a puppet dictator with several people well behind the scene pulling the strings Don't whine because you're unable to see them.

And, I figured that all by myself. No one had to tell me.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I am speaking for me in wondering how much P. Doreen wants to own the entirely racist idea that "calling someone a racist is the same as calling a black person the 'N' word."

No more, no less.

some people get very offended when they are called a racist and they are not actually a racist.

Of course I dont think its on the same level as calling a black person the "n" word.. but both parties get offended when being called those terms.

I think that is what she was referring to.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Obama is a puppet dictator with several people well behind the scene pulling the strings Don't whine because you're unable to see them.

And, I figured that all by myself. No one had to tell me.

Wow! I thought it was impressive when you demonstrated the remarkable ability to reduce complex ideas like race and racism to crude bumper-sticker slogans. However, your ability to figure this out all by yourself really reveals your true genius.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

some people get very offended when they are called a racist and they are not actually a racist.

Of course I dont think its on the same level as calling a black person the "n" word.. but both parties get offended when being called those terms.

I think that is what she was referring to.

Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from. However, I do equate both terms on the same level. Calling a black person the "N" word and calling someone the "R" word is all about HATE.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from. However, I do equate both terms on the same level. Calling a black person the "N" word and calling someone the "R" word is all about HATE.

that is a very good point. hate and ignorance.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Wow! I thought it was impressive when you demonstrated the remarkable ability to reduce complex ideas like race and racism to crude bumper-sticker slogans. However, your ability to figure this out all by yourself really reveals your true genius.

Oh, and I suppose that's some kind of reasoned comeback?!~