Great Forgotten Horses

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

I think Musket Man is a great horse.

I don't.

[deltagulf]

risen star is all but forgotten about. the second fastest belmont time behind his dad.

[Danzig]

seeing as sham has a stakes named after him, i'd think you can't call him forgotten. one who should be on there-sir barton. the first t.c. winner, and one hell of a horse. dismal failure as a stud had him sent to the west as a cavalry remount. and of course his race is now named the barbaro.

[smartbid09]

A horse like Sham deserves more than a stakes named after him in my opinion. I think he needs a hall of fame recognition. Stakes names change. The hall of fame is forever.

How many people really think about Sham??? Not many.

[smartbid09]

For a horse who holds the record for second fastest derby ever run it's funny how he isn't even listed as one of the top 100 races horses of the 20th century by bloodhorse. Had he not raced against secretariat I believe he might have been put on that list. He certainly could have outrun all other derby runners but the one he ran against on that day.

[justindew]

Rachel Alexandra.

[KirisClown]

This is the first time I've seen Thunder Gulch listed as a "great" horse..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

For a horse who holds the record for second fastest derby ever run it's funny how he isn't even listed as one of the top 100 races horses of the 20th century by bloodhorse. Had he not raced against secretariat I believe he might have been put on that list. He certainly could have outrun all other derby runners but the one he ran against on that day.

he's third now, isn't he, after monarchos?

[Linny]

Bold N Determined was probably 3yo filly of her year and no one remembers her.
Whenever you ask about "forgotten" horses, everyone says "Sham." By definition, he's not forgotten.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Danzig

he's third now, isn't he, after monarchos?

Depends on what time you associate with him. I've always heard 1:59 4/5 which puts him ahead of Monarchos, but races then weren't timed to within .01 of a second. Monarchos got it in 1:59.97.

Turns out Sham closed the Derby in 23 3/5 sec, the same as Whirlaway. Unfortunately for Sham, Secretariat did it in :23 flat. Sham is also is co-holder of the stakes record for the Santa Anita Derby with Lucky Debonair and Indian Charlie with 1:47 flat.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

A horse like Sham deserves more than a stakes named after him in my opinion. I think he needs a hall of fame recognition. Stakes names change. The hall of fame is forever.

How many people really think about Sham??? Not many.

He won 2 stakes in his career.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by deltagulf

risen star is all but forgotten about. the second fastest belmont time behind his dad.

May have been a Triple Crown winner if Eddie D had not taken him seven wide on the far turn in the Derby.

[DaTruth]

The versatile Turkoman should be added to the list.

[prudery]

Not sure any on the list can exactly be called great--a subjective word--though some seemed destined for greatness, particularly Hoist The Flag .

Nice to see Inchcape remembered--ran three times only , won one stake , broke down twice, but was so impressive that he was thought to be the next Man O' War--a year his junior ...

I would add Hilsdale, Dark Mirage, Hill Gail, Mongo, TV Lark, Silver Spoon , Cicada, Princess Rooney, Alsab and Billy Kelly to a group of forgotten goods or greats for a start ...

Arts and Letters another ...

[smartbid09]

"Not sure any on the list can exactly be called great--a subjective word--though some seemed destined for greatness," this makes so much sense to me. I should have titled my article horses who seemed destind for greatness.

[smartbid09]

I would love to have more names of horses who seemed destined for greatness.

I don't know if landaluce would count?
would she?

[Sightseek]

While I'm at it, I've read about this race a bunch of times, but this is the first time I've found it. Devil's Bag - Champagne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRZai...eature=related