would quality road have beat zen in the b.c.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Revidere

I'm not pretending or ignoring. In what way did he display a dislike for the surface? He ran real well.

not saying he disliked it. but zenyatta obviously loves it. and there's no telling how they'd do on dirt. maybe she'd still beat him, maybe she wouldn't. i don't think just by them facing off on synthetic that you can say with surety what would occur.

[The Bid]

I would say she handled it okay if she beat Ginger Punch by 8 by Oaklawn as easy as she wanted. Not bad when you beat up on a mare like that who banked over 3 million and won 6 or 7 G1s

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I would say she handled it okay if she beat Ginger Punch by 8 by Oaklawn as easy as she wanted. Not bad when you beat up on a mare like that who banked over 3 million and won 6 or 7 G1s

i thought the discussion was about whether she could beat QR or summer bird on dirt? the answer is, who knows?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I would say she handled it okay if she beat Ginger Punch by 8 by Oaklawn as easy as she wanted. Not bad when you beat up on a mare like that who banked over 3 million and won 6 or 7 G1s

you have to be joking about Ginger Punch... she was the most overrated but useful horse in my lifetime... made a ton of money by beating slow horses in slow races, but she wasnt anything special.

[Revidere]

It's certainly difficult to argue with a point made with such clarity and conviction.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Z's trainer has never liked synthetic surfaces. Z (and her trainer) disliked the surface at Del Mar. Fact is that she looked the most comfortable when she ran on the dirt at Oaklawn. Her trainer has a Derby Win at Churchill (backed up by a decent 4th in the BC Classic at Churchill.) I would not assume she was at her best on the Pro Ride. That's wishful thinking. This is still a guy who prefers training for dirt racing. Careful what you wish for.

[The Bid]

Wish I had one that wasn't special and made 3.5 million winning 6 G1s

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Wish I had one that wasn't special and made 3.5 million winning 6 G1s

for some reason I KNEW that was coming!



no crap we'd all love to have 3.5 mil with a solid, consistent, but slow mare who beat a bunch of crap.

I swear she won a 1 1/8th G1 race once in like 1:54

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

for some reason I KNEW that was coming!



no crap we'd all love to have 3.5 mil with a solid, consistent, but slow mare who beat a bunch of crap.

I swear she won a 1 1/8th G1 race once in like 1:54

At odds of 1/5 she found a gap in mid-stretch of the 2008 Go For Wand to win in an eye-popping 1:53.43. She beat some superstars that day like Copper State, Indescribable, Moon Catcher, and Runway Rosie.

NT

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

for some reason I KNEW that was coming!



no crap we'd all love to have 3.5 mil with a solid, consistent, but slow mare who beat a bunch of crap.

I swear she won a 1 1/8th G1 race once in like 1:54

She also had 7 triple digit Beyers.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I would say she handled it okay if she beat Ginger Punch by 8 by Oaklawn as easy as she wanted. Not bad when you beat up on a mare like that who banked over 3 million and won 6 or 7 G1s

Ginger Punch didn't fire at all that day ... and even on a good day she had very moderate ability.

Brownie Points was 2nd in that race. The same Brownie Points who is 1 for her last 7 in dirt races ... and that one win coming at Praire Meadows.

Even worse than that - stablemate Tiago ran the same day - and that bum was markedly more impressive.