would quality road have beat zen in the b.c. - Page 2

The Indomitable DrugS · #21 02-16-2010, 08:08 PM

While it's true that he's no Yankee Bravo ... I think you fail to realize that the Jockey Club Gold Cup was just Quality Road's 3rd start in over 6 months time.

There was nothing wrong with QR's performance either - the track was wet and slow - Fabulous Strike was nailed late by Kodiak Kowboy in the Vosburgh and a race featuring the two best sprinters in the world went in a very slow raw time of 1:10.08

They start on something of a dog leg turn at Belmont at 10fs - and the pace was hardly as slow as you think given the condition of the track. Getting beat one length by a Belmont and Travers winner - and running a 110 Beyer is no great disgrace.

SCUDSBROTHER · #22 02-16-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think you fail to realize that the Jockey Club Gold Cup was just Quality Road's 3rd start in over 6 months time.

There was nothing wrong with QR's performance either - the track was wet and slow - Fabulous Strike was nailed late by Kodiak Kowboy in the Vosburgh and a race featuring the two best sprinters in the world went in a very slow raw time of 1:10.08

They start on something of a dog leg turn at Belmont at 10fs - and the pace was hardly as slow as you think given the condition of the track. Getting beat one length by a Belmont and Travers winner - and running a 110 Beyer is no great disgrace.

I didn't say there's anything wrong with any of his performances. He's just not a natural 10f horse. When they leave Gulfstream, you'll see he will struggle to hold going 10f against the top natural 10f horses. He might get home in some weak 10f stakes. They'll think they have a 10f horse, but they don't. They should point to the B.C. Sprint, or MILE. That's probably not what they want. So, he'll fade in the last 8th of a mile in the Classic (twirling away.. ala Cutless Reality 22 years earlier.)

The Bid · #23 02-17-2010, 12:58 AM

Please stop. He beat a bunch of dog biscuits and sat a perfect trip. He wouldn't want to see that big Bi tch come rolling you can believe that

letswastemoney · #24 02-17-2010, 02:36 AM

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Please stop. He beat a bunch of dog biscuits and sat a perfect trip. He wouldn't want to see that big Bi tch come rolling you can believe that

What if he got a perfect trip against Zenyatta? I mean unless it's the BC, how many horses really are going to face Quality Road and Zenyatta if they ever met up before then? So it would be a small field probably.

johnny pinwheel · #25 02-17-2010, 06:55 AM

i bet on him in the BC. ......i was happy getting my money back, he was in no condition to race. i kind of think hes better than all these horses but his "issues" hold him back....feet and tempermant. he might not of run on that polycrap anyway but at 11-1, why not? at 4 hes faster and stronger IF he holds things together,hes probably going to steal alot of thunder this year. especially on these fast dirt tracks. If they wanted a serious 5 million dolllar race at oaklawn they would of made it open, instead of restricted because at a mile and an eighth quality road is looking unbeatable.

The Bid · #26 02-17-2010, 08:04 AM

He would need a perfect trip against her to win. That field in Florida was really poor he's supposed to beat those by whatever he wants

The Indomitable DrugS · #27 02-17-2010, 08:46 AM

He would kill her on a dirt track. It would be a total mismatch.

The Bid · #28 02-17-2010, 09:05 AM

Stoooooooooooop. You speed figure guys and Vol Jack.

VOL JACK · #29 02-17-2010, 09:18 AM

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Stoooooooooooop. You speed figure guys and Vol Jack.

They all need to hook up in the Met Mile then again at Saratoga.
Zenyatta would have had NO SHOT in the Donn.
However, at a more fair palying track like Bel or Spa....She would be very tough.

smuthg · #30 02-17-2010, 09:19 AM

to borrow an analogy from the "Sports Guy", I think Zenyatta is the classic example of "the Milton Berle Theory"... I really think that she does just enough to win, EVERY TIME, and I don't see QR, Rachel or St. T., beating her under any circumstances on any track...

Antitrust32 · #31 02-17-2010, 09:34 AM

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to borrow an analogy from the "Sports Guy", I think Zenyatta is the classic example of "the Milton Berle Theory"... I really think that she does just enough to win, EVERY TIME, and I don't see QR, Rachel or St. T., beating her under any circumstances on any track...

how could that theory not be applied to Rachel also?

The Indomitable DrugS · #32 02-17-2010, 09:40 AM

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how could that theory not be applied to Rachel also?

It's also a theory used by hopeless gamblers who consistantly lose more than takeout

smuthg · #33 02-17-2010, 09:42 AM

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how could that theory not be applied to Rachel also?

Not knocking Rachel, but I believe she (to stay in line with the theme) "let it all hang out" to holdoff Macho Again in the Woodward. We've ever seen Zenyatta really do anything more that what it takes to win...

freddymo · #34 02-17-2010, 09:43 AM

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It's also a theory used by hopeless gamblers who consistantly lose more than takeout

DrugS until Zenyatta has a dirt resume who can you tell? Why do you think she can't improve on dirt? I am with you that dirt race dynamics will hinder her but until we see we are all guessing eitherway!

The Indomitable DrugS · #35 02-17-2010, 09:45 AM

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Stoooooooooooop. You speed figure guys and Vol Jack.

Bid - you made a big deal when I told you Zenyatta would beat your beloved Nashoba's Key.

Not that Zenyatta has done anything to prove that I was right.

Your star Nashoba's Key won the major races out there and was never threatened on synthetics .... so maybe I was wrong about Zenyatta being better than her.

The Indomitable DrugS · #36 02-17-2010, 09:47 AM

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DrugS until Zenyatta has a dirt resume who can you tell? Why do you think she can't improve on dirt? I am with you that dirt race dynamics will hinder her but until we see we are all guessing eitherway!

How are we guessing?

Every single race by Quality Road on dirt save his 2nd career start is vastly superior to Zenyatta's one unimpressive dirt win in the Apple Blossom.

If you think that Zenyatta is some vastly improved race horse since that race - that's your problem.

smuthg · #37 02-17-2010, 09:56 AM

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If you think that Zenyatta is some vastly improved race horse since that race - that's your problem.

Vastly improved... probably not. Improved, probably... but, I don't think it matters, I think she's just better.

blackthroatedwind · #38 02-17-2010, 09:56 AM

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It's also a theory used by hopeless gamblers who consistantly lose more than takeout

It's a very close cousin of " time only matters in jail. "

freddymo · #39 02-17-2010, 10:08 AM

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How are we guessing?

Every single race by Quality Road on dirt save his 2nd career start is vastly superior to Zenyatta's one unimpressive dirt win in the Apple Blossom.

If you think that Zenyatta is some vastly improved race horse since that race - that's your problem.

6 year old mares vs. Improving 4 year old colts is not a typically a good spot for the mare.. I guess you would be extremely impressed if she beats him.. I dont think she will either but?

The Bid · #40 02-17-2010, 12:00 PM

Im kidding with you Drugs.

We will never knwo how good Neshobas Key was. She was good though, very good

I think when we spoke about Neshoba and Zen, Zen wasn't what everyone sees now. This last season has really been incredible for her. Can you imagine how good Zen would be if gassmussen, or somebody like that had her.