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Old 08-26-2009, 10:28 AM
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Can you imagine the "Suits" at TVG's faces when Ron Ellis put the Kiabosh on the Rachel vs. Zenyatta match up in the Beldame..

I was thinking the same thing. Ken Rudolph didn't exactly look too pleased as Ellis was going on and on about what a mistake it would be for Zenyatta to ship out there. Then again Ellis comes across as an idiot a lot of the times so maybe he needed someone to explain to him that it would be great for TVG if Zenyatta did ship.
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:46 AM
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Ron Ellis is an annoyingly conservative trainer.

It was terrible to see him win a 2-year-old champion with Declan's Moon while not running in the BC Juvenile at Lone Star.

He can basically thank Jeremy Rose for getting Afleet Alex off poorly, and having him 5 wide on both turns, and finishing 2nd beaten less than a length to sweet trip Wilko in the BC Juvie.

He can also thank Vic Stauffer for pretty much declaring him 2yo champion in a sales pitch to the voters with his Hollywood Futurity race call.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:55 AM
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Ron Ellis is an annoyingly conservative trainer.

It was terrible to see him win a 2-year-old champion with Declan's Moon while not running in the BC Juvenile at Lone Star.

He can basically thank Jeremy Rose for getting Afleet Alex off poorly, and having him 5 wide on both turns, and finishing 2nd beaten less than a length to sweet trip Wilko in the BC Juvie.

He can also thank Vic Stauffer for pretty much declaring him 2yo champion in a sales pitch to the voters with his Hollywood Futurity race call.
He can also thank you for betting Wilko.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:00 PM
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Old 08-26-2009, 01:11 PM
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I was thinking the same thing. Ken Rudolph didn't exactly look too pleased as Ellis was going on and on about what a mistake it would be for Zenyatta to ship out there. Then again Ellis comes across as an idiot a lot of the times so maybe he needed someone to explain to him that it would be great for TVG if Zenyatta did ship.
Great for TVG? That's funny. The same people that would be watching would be watching anyway. They aren't going to get some influx of new people subscribing to the channel to watch the race.
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Old 08-26-2009, 02:12 PM
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Great for TVG? That's funny. The same people that would be watching would be watching anyway. They aren't going to get some influx of new people subscribing to the channel to watch the race.

um.. TVG is sponsoring the race and the increased purse if they go..
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Old 08-26-2009, 02:53 PM
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I was thinking the same thing. Ken Rudolph didn't exactly look too pleased as Ellis was going on and on about what a mistake it would be for Zenyatta to ship out there. Then again Ellis comes across as an idiot a lot of the times so maybe he needed someone to explain to him that it would be great for TVG if Zenyatta did ship.
....he was prob. looking at what is best for the horse and owner........not the tvg idiots.
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:06 PM
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....he was prob. looking at what is best for the horse and owner........not the tvg idiots.
Or racing.
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:23 PM
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Which is considered the actual consecutive winning streak? Pepper's Pride (19) or Cigar/Citation(16). With her conservative campaign it may not be long before this 'streak' is mentioned again. However she may have to race another year to get there though.
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:33 PM
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Which is considered the actual consecutive winning streak? Pepper's Pride (19) or Cigar/Citation(16). With her conservative campaign it may not be long before this 'streak' is mentioned again. However she may have to race another year to get there though.
In no way should it be Pepper's Pride. It either has to be Camarero with 56 or Cigar/Citation with 16.
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:36 PM
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In no way should it be Pepper's Pride. It either has to be Camarero with 56 or Cigar/Citation with 16.
I don't remember Camarero, probably way before I got into horses. I would vote for Cigar/Citation as the benchmarks.
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:42 PM
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I don't remember Camarero, probably way before I got into horses. I would vote for Cigar/Citation as the benchmarks.
He won 56 in a row in Puerto Rico in the 1950s. Since everyone excludes him for only running in Puerto Rico you have to exclude Pepper's Pride for only running in New Mexico bred races.
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