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smuthg 08-26-2009 08:57 AM

what's next for Zenyatta?
 
I presume that she's not going in the Pacific Classic, where are they supposed to run her next?

Sightseek 08-26-2009 09:01 AM

A really interesting and challenging race - the Lady's Secret!

Coach Pants 08-26-2009 09:01 AM

the safest race possible.

smuthg 08-26-2009 09:11 AM

great...

tector 08-26-2009 09:38 AM

Zzzzzzzzzz.

freddymo 08-26-2009 09:43 AM

Can you imagine the "Suits" at TVG's faces when Ron Ellis put the Kiabosh on the Rachel vs. Zenyatta match up in the Beldame..

Bobby Fischer 08-26-2009 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by smuthg
I presume that she's not going in the Pacific Classic, where are they supposed to run her next?

shes not going to the Pacific Classic??

are you sure? do you have a link?


that is very hard to believe , the Lady's Secret is only a mile and a sixteenth, it's way too small for her.

stonegossard 08-26-2009 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Can you imagine the "Suits" at TVG's faces when Ron Ellis put the Kiabosh on the Rachel vs. Zenyatta match up in the Beldame..


I was thinking the same thing. Ken Rudolph didn't exactly look too pleased as Ellis was going on and on about what a mistake it would be for Zenyatta to ship out there. Then again Ellis comes across as an idiot a lot of the times so maybe he needed someone to explain to him that it would be great for TVG if Zenyatta did ship.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-26-2009 10:46 AM

Ron Ellis is an annoyingly conservative trainer.

It was terrible to see him win a 2-year-old champion with Declan's Moon while not running in the BC Juvenile at Lone Star.

He can basically thank Jeremy Rose for getting Afleet Alex off poorly, and having him 5 wide on both turns, and finishing 2nd beaten less than a length to sweet trip Wilko in the BC Juvie.

He can also thank Vic Stauffer for pretty much declaring him 2yo champion in a sales pitch to the voters with his Hollywood Futurity race call.

Indian Charlie 08-26-2009 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Ron Ellis is an annoyingly conservative trainer.

It was terrible to see him win a 2-year-old champion with Declan's Moon while not running in the BC Juvenile at Lone Star.

He can basically thank Jeremy Rose for getting Afleet Alex off poorly, and having him 5 wide on both turns, and finishing 2nd beaten less than a length to sweet trip Wilko in the BC Juvie.

He can also thank Vic Stauffer for pretty much declaring him 2yo champion in a sales pitch to the voters with his Hollywood Futurity race call.

He can also thank you for betting Wilko.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-26-2009 12:00 PM

Jealous of my occasional good luck?

King Glorious 08-26-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
I was thinking the same thing. Ken Rudolph didn't exactly look too pleased as Ellis was going on and on about what a mistake it would be for Zenyatta to ship out there. Then again Ellis comes across as an idiot a lot of the times so maybe he needed someone to explain to him that it would be great for TVG if Zenyatta did ship.

Great for TVG? That's funny. The same people that would be watching would be watching anyway. They aren't going to get some influx of new people subscribing to the channel to watch the race.

Antitrust32 08-26-2009 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Great for TVG? That's funny. The same people that would be watching would be watching anyway. They aren't going to get some influx of new people subscribing to the channel to watch the race.


um.. TVG is sponsoring the race and the increased purse if they go..

alysheba4 08-26-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
I was thinking the same thing. Ken Rudolph didn't exactly look too pleased as Ellis was going on and on about what a mistake it would be for Zenyatta to ship out there. Then again Ellis comes across as an idiot a lot of the times so maybe he needed someone to explain to him that it would be great for TVG if Zenyatta did ship.

....he was prob. looking at what is best for the horse and owner........not the tvg idiots.

tector 08-26-2009 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4
....he was prob. looking at what is best for the horse and owner........not the tvg idiots.

Or racing.

CSC 08-26-2009 04:23 PM

Which is considered the actual consecutive winning streak? Pepper's Pride (19) or Cigar/Citation(16). With her conservative campaign it may not be long before this 'streak' is mentioned again. However she may have to race another year to get there though.

SniperSB23 08-26-2009 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Which is considered the actual consecutive winning streak? Pepper's Pride (19) or Cigar/Citation(16). With her conservative campaign it may not be long before this 'streak' is mentioned again. However she may have to race another year to get there though.

In no way should it be Pepper's Pride. It either has to be Camarero with 56 or Cigar/Citation with 16.

CSC 08-26-2009 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
In no way should it be Pepper's Pride. It either has to be Camarero with 56 or Cigar/Citation with 16.

I don't remember Camarero, probably way before I got into horses. I would vote for Cigar/Citation as the benchmarks.

SniperSB23 08-26-2009 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I don't remember Camarero, probably way before I got into horses. I would vote for Cigar/Citation as the benchmarks.

He won 56 in a row in Puerto Rico in the 1950s. Since everyone excludes him for only running in Puerto Rico you have to exclude Pepper's Pride for only running in New Mexico bred races.

CSC 08-26-2009 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
He won 56 in a row in Puerto Rico in the 1950s. Since everyone excludes him for only running in Puerto Rico you have to exclude Pepper's Pride for only running in New Mexico bred races.

Would Zenyatta get the record in your opinion if she stays with her usual set schedule of races?


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