Secret Oath

[King Glorious]

Secret Oath is good. I thought maybe she could be special. If she was, we would know it by now. We wouldn’t need to wait to see if she wins the Cotillion and/or Distaff. The best she can be is good. She isn’t generational. Well, I guess technically she is. The best of her generation.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Secret Oath is good. I thought maybe she could be special. If she was, we would know it by now. We wouldn’t need to wait to see if she wins the Cotillion and/or Distaff. The best she can be is good. She isn’t generational. Well, I guess technically she is. The best of her generation.

I don't think she is at this point. But as I said I think it's still in play. If she could win the Cotillion and the B C Distaff that would assure her an Eclipse.

Then if she were to run at 4 being a superstar would still be possible until it wasn't.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Secret Oath is good. I thought maybe she could be special. If she was, we would know it by now. We wouldn’t need to wait to see if she wins the Cotillion and/or Distaff. The best she can be is good. She isn’t generational. Well, I guess technically she is. The best of her generation.

I guess it depends on your definition of generational. I think the question was asked at some point earlier in this thread and I'd rather put hot pokers in my eyes than go back and look but...to me a "generational talent" is an athlete, horse whatever, that is so good, we only see talent like that a few times in years if not decades.

Winning the Kentucky Oaks, with a low speed figure doesn't really equate to that. She's a really nice filly, easy to root for and runs her race. But she's yet to run fast and has not been competitive both times she has faced males.

In recent history maybe two fillies would be considered "generational" to me. Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta. Both of them were much better than Secret Oath. Are we even sure that Secret Oath is "better" than Echo Zulu? Look at where the horses close to the pace in the Oaks finished.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

In recent history maybe two fillies would be considered "generational" to me. Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta. Both of them were much better than Secret Oath. Are we even sure that Secret Oath is "better" than Echo Zulu? Look at where the horses close to the pace in the Oaks finished.

I think Beholder deserves some very strong consideration as well.

Originally Posted by freddymo

I think Beholder deserves some very strong consideration as well.

Completely agree.

I'd also include RACHAEL ALEXANDRA & PERSONAL ENSIGN.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I think Beholder deserves some very strong consideration as well.

Couldn't even beat Alabama Stakes winner Songbird fair and square.

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Couldn't even beat Alabama Stakes winner Songbird fair and square.

What was unfair about her win over SONGBIRD in the BC?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

What was unfair about her win over SONGBIRD in the BC?

Uh-oh... You unleashed the Kraken. He is in the Q-Anon camp regarding that BC Race.

[Dahoss]

Imagine carrying on for SIX YEARS about a photo finish?

I think when he stopped drinking he started taking estrogen pills.

Originally Posted by jms62

Uh-oh... You unleashed the Kraken. He is in the Q-Anon camp regarding that BC Race.

Oh Boy. Pretty sure the Stewards made the race official.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

What was unfair about her win over SONGBIRD in the BC?

Songbird won the headbob, and they awarded the race to the second place hoss. Watch the replay, it’s clear that Songbird was in front on the wire. They would have showed the mirror image, if it showed Beholder won. Watch the slow motion replay, listen to JD Bailey, who then clammed up, awaiting the photo. It’s all there. Repeat after me inside the sixteenth pole 1-8-1-8-1......

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Songbird won the headbob, and they awarded the race to the second place hoss. Watch the replay, it’s clear that Songbird was in front on the wire. They would have showed the mirror image, if it showed Beholder won. Watch the slow motion replay, listen to JD Bailey, who then clammed up, awaiting the photo. It’s all there. Repeat after me inside the sixteenth pole 1-8-1-8-1......

Vic this is the kind of stupidity that derails actual dialogue on here.

Everytime Estrogen Dan enters a thread it immediately jumps the shark.

There’s like 3 things he’s passionate about. Songbird, Andy and posting about people or horses dying.

Anything other than that and he has nothing to say but needs to say it because his cat even ignores him at this point.

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Songbird won the headbob, and they awarded the race to the second place hoss. Watch the replay, it’s clear that Songbird was in front on the wire. They would have showed the mirror image, if it showed Beholder won. Watch the slow motion replay, listen to JD Bailey, who then clammed up, awaiting the photo. It’s all there. Repeat after me inside the sixteenth pole 1-8-1-8-1......

Obviously I'm late to this party. But why would the photo finish operator, the placing judges and Stewards care who won the BC Distaff?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Are we even sure that Secret Oath is "better" than Echo Zulu? Look at where the horses close to the pace in the Oaks finished.

That's a great question. I think Echo Zulu is probably better up to one mile and Secret Oath better 9F and up. If someone offered me a bet, someone that would pay, I would take Echo Zulu to win the BC F&M Sprint over Secret Oath winning the BC Distaff.