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![]() I thought it was the right call. The winner absolutely fouled War of Will. I’m not sure how that is even debatable.
I feel for anyone that bet Maximum Security but a foul is a foul. I’d expect the same result on a Monday at Parx as I do in the Derby. Integrity is taking the horse down that fouled a horse and cost him a placing. Not taking him down because it’s the Derby would be the opposite of that. |
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Gafflione was interviewed and said he had no horse, regardless of MS coming out. The fact remains - Country House was never touched, never vied for the lead but was put up based on nonsense. |
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#4
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Total agreement Country House wasn’t fouled. |
#5
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![]() This was literally coming through the last turn, not in the stretch, and not affecting the outcome of the race....would you feel the same if they bumped out of the gate?
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#6
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I’d love to see more DQs for more gate fouls. |
#7
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![]() You are a seasoned horseplayer whose opinion I respect greatly. I simply ask you watch this race again. WoW was never winning this race.
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![]() I agree he wasn’t winning. But he was affected.
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![]() I’m overseas, so I was watching the Churchill in-house feed. Only after Saez’s post-race interview (~2 mins after they hit the wire) did the objection sign light up. Travis Stone says objection 2nd vs 1st. No mention of stewards inquiry. I was confused, since there was nothing obvious on the pan shot. I then sat there for 15 minutes watching an audio-less feed showing replays. Watching over and over again 7 vs 20. Thinking, well maybe 7 floated 20 a little wide but 20 had his chance and was clearly second-best. Eventually, numbers come off graphics, 20 placed first and 7 off the screen. The first thing I’m thinking is did they forget to punch the 20 into the 2nd spot after the DQ? I had NO idea they were looking at something else. For the entire duration of the stewards reviewing footage, not once was there any mention of them looking at something other than 7 vs 20. No flashing of the inquiry sign. No video of a jockey other than Saez or Prat speaking on the phone. No one mentioning on the feed that stewards were looking at something other than the objection. THIS is the problem. Whether the horse(s) affected lost their placing chance is debatable enough in itself, let alone doing so when they weren’t “officially” doing so.
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![]() As long as I’ve been watching racing, which is over 30 years, that has never been the standard for a dq. The question is did he cost War of Will a placing? Forget whether he bothered Country House. That’s completely irrelevant. It’s irrelevant whether or not War of Will could have won.
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![]() Not sure if the Gaffilione quote is out of context. Why would he say he was out of horse if the War of Will was still contending for the win in deep stretch?
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And, to Mark Casse, you were not gunna do much more than 8th place. You were out of horse. The best horse was dq'd because he possibly kept you from getting 6th, or 7th place. Happy? |
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![]() there is no rule in ky of which I am aware which speaks to "not affecting the outcome of a race." Besides, who knows what War of the Will may have done if not interfered with at top of lane. Outcomes of races are absolutely impacted by fouls which occur within the race. And yes Bayern should have been DQ'd.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwL4IKBOzrs |
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![]() A wise man once told me not to send an email or post on social media
When you’re pissed. I still don’t agree with the call but I understand it. Am I still stinging a bit? Yes. But with that said I’m quite certain I will Bet again prior to Spa. The not sorry part is at the very least the thread (which is on it’s 8th page) has Brought out some good debate. But better yet, it’s brought out some older posters including myself. I usually just check in on selection pages. So in that Respect it kind of reminds me of the old days. That can’t be a bad thing. I think. Lol. Thanks for everyone’s input. Pat |
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I’ve seen worse stay up and I’ve seen less come down. It has no bearing on what happened today. |
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![]() If the 1 got second I’d be more convinced. Bad call. I saw mike smith do worse multiple timee including travers day
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![]() Bayern stays up and ms doesn't..
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#20
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![]() If I bet MS I’m so much more pissed at Saez than the stewards.
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