Done till Spa. F horse racing

[Rudeboyelvis]

I don't post here very often at all, but I've literally seen it all today.

Full Disclosure: while I respected Country House, I did not use the horse in my trifecta. So I personally don't really have a b*tch coming to me - from a bettor standpoint - anyway.

I've seen bad takedowns, some of which I've benefitted from, some of which were ignored and also benefitted from. And vise versa.

Today marks a brand new chapter in abject absurdity. A chapter where brain-dead, know-nothing-about-the-sport *Chief Stewards* are Charged with making decisions that affect literally ten's of millions of dollars of hard-earned wagering dollars.

This CANNOT go unchallenged. The integrity of the sport (or what's left of it) is at stake.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I don't post here very often at all, but I've literally seen it all today.

Full Disclosure: while I respected Country House, I did not use the horse in my trifecta. So I personally don't really have a b*tch coming to me - from a bettor standpoint - anyway.

I've seen bad takedowns, some of which I've benefitted from, some of which I've were ignored and also benefitted from. And vise versa.

Today marks a brand new chapter in abject absurdity. A chapter where brain-dead, know-nothing-about-the-sport *Chief Stewards* are Charged with making decisions that affect literally ten's of millions of dollars of hard-earned wagering dollars.

This CANNOT go unchallenged. The integrity of the sport (or what's left of it) is at stake.

Dan this was worst travesty I ever saw and I have no betting interest in this. I will watch tomorrow when I’m sober but I’m not drunk enough to think this was fair.

[Dahoss]

I thought it was the right call. The winner absolutely fouled War of Will. I’m not sure how that is even debatable.

I feel for anyone that bet Maximum Security but a foul is a foul. I’d expect the same result on a Monday at Parx as I do in the Derby.

Integrity is taking the horse down that fouled a horse and cost him a placing. Not taking him down because it’s the Derby would be the opposite of that.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I thought it was the right call. The winner absolutely fouled War of Will. I’m not sure how that is even debatable.

I feel for anyone that bet Maximum Security but a foul is a foul. I’d expect the same result on a Monday at Parx as I do in the Derby.

Integrity is taking the horse down that fouled a horse and cost him a placing. Not taking him down because it’s the Derby would be the opposite of that.

War of Will absolutely was fouled. Hossy you are correct - no debate.
Gafflione was interviewed and said he had no horse, regardless of MS coming out. The fact remains - Country House was never touched, never vied for the lead but was put up based on nonsense.

[Heels1989]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

War of Will absolutely was fouled. Hossy you are correct - no debate.
Gafflione was interviewed and said he had no horse, regardless of MS coming out. The fact remains - Country House was never touched, never vied for the lead but was put up based on nonsense.

^^^this!!!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

War of Will absolutely was fouled. Hossy you are correct - no debate.
Gafflione was interviewed and said he had no horse, regardless of MS coming out. The fact remains - Country House was never touched, never vied for the lead but was put up based on nonsense.

I think MS was DQ’d for fouling War of Will though. That’s why he was placed behind him.

Total agreement Country House wasn’t fouled.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think MS was DQ’d for fouling War of Will though. That’s why he was placed behind him.

Total agreement Country House wasn’t fouled.

This was literally coming through the last turn, not in the stretch, and not affecting the outcome of the race....would you feel the same if they bumped out of the gate?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

This was literally coming through the last turn, not in the stretch, and not affecting the outcome of the race....would you feel the same if they bumped out of the gate?

I don’t agree it didn’t affect War of Will. I don’t care what Gaffilione says.

I’d love to see more DQs for more gate fouls.

[hurricanefrank]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

This was literally coming through the last turn, not in the stretch, and not affecting the outcome of the race....would you feel the same if they bumped out of the gate?

there is no rule in ky of which I am aware which speaks to "not affecting the outcome of a race." Besides, who knows what War of the Will may have done if not interfered with at top of lane. Outcomes of races are absolutely impacted by fouls which occur within the race. And yes Bayern should have been DQ'd.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I thought it was the right call. The winner absolutely fouled War of Will. I’m not sure how that is even debatable.

I feel for anyone that bet Maximum Security but a foul is a foul. I’d expect the same result on a Monday at Parx as I do in the Derby.

Integrity is taking the horse down that fouled a horse and cost him a placing. Not taking him down because it’s the Derby would be the opposite of that.

Ok. Tell that to the crowd that was booing. You’ve seen worse Hoss and you know it.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Ok. Tell that to the crowd that was booing. You’ve seen worse Hoss and you know it.

I’m sorry you lost but the crowd booing doesn’t matter.

I’ve seen worse stay up and I’ve seen less come down. It has no bearing on what happened today.

[fpsoxfan]

If the 1 got second I’d be more convinced. Bad call. I saw mike smith do worse multiple timee including travers day

[tanner12oz]

Bayern stays up and ms doesn't..

[cakes44]

If I bet MS I’m so much more pissed at Saez than the stewards.

[ACGord]

Full disclosure. I was live in the Pick-4 on two tickets with the 7. It's my worst beat ever and I think it was a bullshit takedown. I'll look at it tomorrow with a little clearer head but maaaaaan that's a tough beat.

[richard burch]

I think some consideration should have been applied to War Of Will trying to thru a hole that wasn't there. However MS did veer out. I think by rule they had no choice.

Only question now is "Does Saez retain the mount?"

[ateamstupid]

This is a pretty incredible thread about a no-brainer DQ.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

If the 1 got second I’d be more convinced. Bad call. I saw mike smith do worse multiple timee including travers day

I really think they should of tried to get some of that standing water off the track. That being said, if you you want to run the biggest 3 year old race of the year on that surface, then, I think they should only take the winner down if they think he wasn't best. Horses aren't gunna be able to stay that straight running on that surface.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

If the 1 got second I’d be more convinced. Bad call. I saw mike smith do worse multiple timee including travers day

That's the point though. We don't know if he would have gotten 2nd or 3rd or even 4th or 5th, because he was fouled and affected the outcome.

Once the DQ is decided on, it doesn't matter whether the "winner" ends up being a horse that was probably not going to win- the horse taken down gets placed behind the one it affected (which the stewards correctly determined was Long Range Toddy.)

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I thought it was the right call. The winner absolutely fouled War of Will. I’m not sure how that is even debatable.

I feel for anyone that bet Maximum Security but a foul is a foul. I’d expect the same result on a Monday at Parx as I do in the Derby.

Integrity is taking the horse down that fouled a horse and cost him a placing. Not taking him down because it’s the Derby would be the opposite of that.

^^^ I'm on this page.

I had no financial interest here, I bet Game Winner. The reality is he fouled War of Will AND started a chain reaction with the 18 AND sent Code of Honor into the rail all within the same 100 yards. He HAD to come down. There was no gray area with regard to the rule. War of Will finished 8th and I'm 100% certain he would have finished better than that if he was not fouled- the rule is if you foul someone and the horse that's fouled has been compromised on potential for finishing higher you get taken down. End of story. If this was the 1st on a Monday at Parx like you said, it would not even be debatable and we would be turning the page. The stewards did the right thing not just for the result but for the safety of the game.