Clearly there was no intention to come over?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pointman

Watching the replay, I can't see how someone would think that Irad did that purposely. Did he try to get his horse from the 10 post over to the rail somewhere midpack to try to save ground? Yes. Do many riders try to do that? Yes, and more probably should.

I just don't see him trying to steer the horse into Davis's horse, seems to me that Irad's horse was lugging in and he was trying to get the horse to go back left but the horse had its own ideas.

To me this is just not herding but rather a horse doing what it wants to do and a 112 lbs. or so guy who can't get his horse outside, not a rider riding unsafely to intimidate another horse to back off. Having said that the DQ was fair under the circumstances but I just don't agree that the rider should be punished for what appears to me to much more likely be an uncooperative horse instead of a dangerous ride.

I can't believe you didn't get the memo that Irad is a criminal and everyone knows it.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I can't believe you didn't get the memo that Irad is a criminal and everyone knows it.

So, irrespective of this one race, you think he is a clean rider? Also, pretty sure that you are the only person in this thread to call anyone a murderer or criminal.

[10 pnt move up]

Wow just hear Richard Migliore's comments about the ride. He turned my post into words on Steve's show as the content is the same about rider error.

Hopefully those involved learned a valuable lesson.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Wow just hear Richard Migliore's comments about the ride. He turned my post into words on Steve's show as the content is the same about rider error.

Hopefully those involved learned a valuable lesson.

Thought Mig was excellent today.

Appears Ortiz getting 5 day suspension..

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Kitan

So, irrespective of this one race, you think he is a clean rider? Also, pretty sure that you are the only person in this thread to call anyone a murderer or criminal.

I think he rides aggressively like every other successful jockey in New York. I don't think there's any evidence to suggest he's a dirty rider or is putting anyone in an abnormal amount of danger.

But that's beside the point. The ease at which people throw around accusations that jockeys are, at best, indifferent to potentially causing major injuries/deaths is just gross. If you think Irad is out there intentionally putting people in danger, that's on you to prove it, not me to disprove it. That's a very serious allegation and one that's much easier to make from behind a keyboard rather than on the back of a horse.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I think he rides aggressively like every other successful jockey in New York. I don't think there's any evidence to suggest he's a dirty rider or is putting anyone in an abnormal amount of danger.

But that's beside the point. The ease at which people throw around accusations that jockeys are, at best, indifferent to potentially causing major injuries/deaths is just gross. If you think Irad is out there intentionally putting people in danger, that's on you to prove it, not me to disprove it. That's a very serious allegation and one that's much easier to make from behind a keyboard rather than on the back of a horse.

I don't think anyone here has said that. At least what I am trying to say is that his over aggressiveness, which has been built up in part by the stewards' softness towards him, increase the chances of a serious incident at some point. The next time he is stuck in traffic and decides to bull his way through...it takes a single bad step for catastrophe to occur. Do I think his aggressiveness is used in a manner to deliberately hurt another jockey? Absolutely f****** not, and please don't continue to put those words in my mouth because I have never said that.

[10 pnt move up]

Then Bafferts comments about Nero....he jumped off that question so fast. lmao.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Then Bafferts comments about Nero....he jumped off that question so fast. lmao.

As little as he said, was pretty clear what his thoughts were.

[cakes44]

Truly embarrassing ride by Garcia.