1/28 (GP): $12MM Pegasus World Cup

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Is this the excuse?

It is a very real excuse....and exactly the one you would be using for Arrogate had the post positions been reversed.

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It is a very real excuse....and exactly the one you would be using for Arrogate had the post positions been reversed.

Completely agree, Andy, and exactly why I wanted this race to go at 10f (even close to 11f based on the track) to get rid of the post position bias.

[declansharbor]

About what % of Eclipse Award ceremony attendees do you think were elated when the post was drawn after having to endure P Martin's whacky speech?! They're really going to have to earn it from out that far wide, that's for sure (CC & DAP Racing) !

[Alabama Stakes]

Hoss likes to be outside of hosses, shouldn't be a problem. Arrogate is the main problem, keen ice is the other problem. He will take some beating for sure.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Hoss likes to be outside of hosses, shouldn't be a problem. Arrogate is the main problem, keen ice is the other problem. He will take some beating for sure.

Keen Ice? And you were serious?

[Alabama Stakes]

I meant that chrome would take some beating. Should have worded that better.
Keen ice is contender on best effort.....like when he won the Travers.

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

About what % of Eclipse Award ceremony attendees do you think were elated when the post was drawn after having to endure P Martin's whacky speech?! They're really going to have to earn it from out that far wide, that's for sure (CC & DAP Racing) !

Lol.......Perry Martin pushed up on the horse racing gods,never a good idea.
He also made history.
I've never seen 100% of the people at every single horse racing forum/message board/twitter/Facebook agree on anything.
Until.....
The disgust for Perry Martin @ the Eclipse Awards the other night.
Dude is a taco short of a combo plate.......

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It is a very real excuse....and exactly the one you would be using for Arrogate had the post positions been reversed.

Haven't needed an excuse for Arrogate yet and its highly unlikely I ever will. I was on him well before the Travers. Its not like he ran huge and I started to like him. I don't get you. On twitter you talk about Arrogate could be an all time great and you say things very similar to what I have said here multiple times about if Chrome couldn't beat him in the Classic w/ that setup he never will. Yet now your making excuses for the horse before the race.
When Chrome lost the Belmont didn't people say he didn't like being inside of horses. He ran better free and outside?

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Haven't needed an excuse for Arrogate yet and its highly unlikely I ever will. I was on him well before the Travers. Its not like he ran huge and I started to like him. I don't get you. On twitter you talk about Arrogate could be an all time great and you say things very similar to what I have said here multiple times about if Chrome couldn't beat him in the Classic w/ that setup he never will. Yet now your making excuses for the horse before the race.
When Chrome lost the Belmont didn't people say he didn't like being inside of horses. He ran better free and outside?

Joey you are missing the point here. The 12th hole is brutal at this distance at Gulfstream. Something like 1 for 18 all time since they adjusted the track. Arrogate would have trouble there too.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Joey you are missing the point here. The 12th hole is brutal at this distance at Gulfstream. Something like 1 for 18 all time since they adjusted the track. Arrogate would have trouble there too.

He's not missing the point, he knows that Big Brown was the lone winner from the 12 post. He was touting a horse trained by Baffert early(not unusual) and he was right so he will post about it in every thread regardless of topic. This will continue until the horse retires or he is right on another Baffert horse.

Racing is the big loser here as a great match up was compromised by a poor draw. It would have been nice to see this race with both horses drawn somewhere in the middle.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by 3kings

He's not missing the point, he knows that Big Brown was the lone winner from the 12 post. He was touting a horse trained by Baffert early(not unusual) and he was right so he will post about it in every thread regardless of topic. This will continue until the horse retires or he is right on another Baffert horse.

Racing is the big loser here as a great match up was compromised by a poor draw. It would have been nice to see this race with both horses drawn somewhere in the middle.

Well said, Tom

[jms62]

In the last 2 years they ran this distance on the dirt 12 times. Ten of those races had 7 or More entries. These are the winning post positions

PP-Wins
3 -  6
5 -  3
6 -  1
7 -  2

[Alabama Stakes]

So in other words the 1 thru 4 posts won half the races, and 5-6-7 won the other half ? Cal Chrome has push button speed and is posted outside. He will be wherever he wants and Espinosa will make sure he gets a good run.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by jms62

In the last 2 years they ran this distance on the dirt 12 times. Ten of those races had 7 or More entries. These are the winning post positions

PP-Wins
3 -  6
5 -  3
6 -  1
7 -  2

7 - 13