American Pharoah points to Breeders' Cup Classic

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Maybe he should beat older horses before we crown him.....

DITTO

He is a very good horse, but as of yet he is not a great horse, beat his elders, come close to beating a track record and maybe become a great horse, I would take The Bid over him any day, that was a great horse!!

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

DITTO

He is a very good horse, but as of yet he is not a great horse, beat his elders, come close to beating a track record and maybe become a great horse, I would take The Bid over him any day, that was a great horse!!

That Liam's Map is a serious race horse

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

LOL................yes he won The TC, a very good horse, but NOT great, how many track records has he matched or broken???? NONE, like I said a very good but NOT great horse

i don't think any horse other than secretariat owns all 3 triple crown records. so are all the other horses "not great" too?

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by richard burch

i don't think any horse other than secretariat owns all 3 triple crown records. so are all the other horses "not great" too?

That is NOT what I said, AP has NOT proven to be a great horse yet, he has NOT beaten his elders, and has NOT broken any track records, those are things that GREAT one's do, He is a very good horse, but not a great one(YET) and might not have the time to do so, he got very lucky this spring, that's all.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

That is NOT what I said, AP has NOT proven to be a great horse yet, he has NOT beaten his elders, and has NOT broken any track records, those are things that GREAT one's do, He is a very good horse, but not a great one(YET) and might not have the time to do so, he got very lucky this spring, that's all.

Lucky? You're reaching now.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Lucky? You're reaching now.

sorry it is just my opinion, we all have opinions, I did say he is very good, The first time he got hooked up with another good horse, he lost, thats all

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

sorry it is just my opinion, we all have opinions, I did say he is very good, The first time he got hooked up with another good horse, he lost, thats all

So Firing Line and Dortmund were not good horses...just asking

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by casp0555

So Firing Line and Dortmund were not good horses...just asking

Winning 5 races in 12 weeks including the triple crown against a pretty good crop of horses was terrible too. I'm not here saying he is the greatest horse of all time but people saying he was lucky is beyond ludacris. Lost one race against a horse who is improving every start.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Winning 5 races in 12 weeks including the triple crown against a pretty good crop of horses was terrible too. I'm not here saying he is the greatest horse of all time but people saying he was lucky is beyond ludacris. Lost one race against a horse who is improving every start.

I believe it's 2 races he's lost and I can see where some would feel he did get lucky when there was that torrential downpour before the Preakness because it totally changed the dynamics of the race when that happened. Firing Line and Dortmund had no shot when that happened.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Arletta

I believe it's 2 races he's lost and I can see where some would feel he did get lucky when there was that torrential downpour before the Preakness because it totally changed the dynamics of the race when that happened. Firing Line and Dortmund had no shot when that happened.

I didn't count the first race as I was focusing on this year. Yes the rain helped in the Preakness but he came back three weeks later and ran the 6th fastest Belmont ever. Again I'm not saying he was the greatest ever but some of the bashing on here is crazy. Hate the connections or not it wasn't luck that carried this horse.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

I didn't count the first race as I was focusing on this year. Yes the rain helped in the Preakness but he came back three weeks later and ran the 6th fastest Belmont ever. Again I'm not saying he was the greatest ever but some of the bashing on here is crazy. Hate the connections or not it wasn't luck that carried this horse.

Mrs Arletta Mortimer is a known Baffert hater. Please take her opinion on this matter with a grain of salt.

[senator L]

You win the triple crown - your a great horse.
His record so far 10 8 1 0 not too shabby
As for all time greats he hasn't even cracked the
top 20. To improve his reputation he will have to win the classic
and prove his mettle against older

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by senator L

You win the triple crown - your a great horse.
His record so far 10 8 1 0 not too shabby
As for all time greats he hasn't even cracked the
top 20. To improve his reputation he will have to win the classic
and prove his mettle against older

Sir barton was a great horse?

Look, its a rare achievement of course. Hes one of a dozen to ever do it...but i have no problem finding a lot of horses id put ahead of a lot of tc winners.
and i dont think the travers loss is a ding on the horse...i think its a mark against his connections.
i felt ever since the haskell, from all baffeet said that the horse wouldnt go. But, it all comes down to the owner, and he said i want to run.
reminds me of the turners with slew and shipping to cali.

Ap will be talked of for some time.....at least til the next tc winner! I think hes had a better than average year. Whats too bad is that it seemed this year would be great with older horses, but that just didnt pan out.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Mrs Arletta Mortimer is a known Baffert hater. Please take her opinion on this matter with a grain of salt.

How I feel or don't feel about Baffert had nothing to do with my opinion on his statement.

[tanner12oz]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

That is NOT what I said, AP has NOT proven to be a great horse yet, he has NOT beaten his elders, and has NOT broken any track records, those are things that GREAT one's do, He is a very good horse, but not a great one(YET) and might not have the time to do so, he got very lucky this spring, that's all.

I'm the eternal pessimist and I disagree completely. The horse did something that hasn't been done in almost 40 years. Pretty sure that separates you from the field

[senator L]

Yes, Sir Barton was a great horse - he won the triple crown
He beat Exterminator, also set a world record in 1920 for 1 3/16
and he was also thought highly enough to get a match race
against Man o War who many think was America's best horse ever.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by senator L

Yes, Sir Barton was a great horse - he won the triple crown
He beat Exterminator, also set a world record in 1920 for 1 3/16
and he was also thought highly enough to get a match race
against Man o War who many think was America's best horse ever.

If he's on your list of greats, it must be a looooooong list.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Arletta

How I feel or don't feel about Baffert had nothing to do with my opinion on his statement.

[Seattleallstar]

one 3yr old we that needs to be mentioned is Speighster he looks to be any kind as well, he looks to be the part and we know that Mott hasnt even begun to get to the bottom of him yet

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

one 3yr old we that needs to be mentioned is Speighster he looks to be any kind as well, he looks to be the part and we know that Mott hasnt even begun to get to the bottom of him yet

I said this after his 1st race, ateam is also high on him. But he is injured and out for the year. Donworth is also pretty good and out with an injury.